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  • #2109250
    dovrosenbaum
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    Asking for someone:

    Are there any Sephardi shuls in Brooklyn that don’t abide by the SY takkana against gerim?

    #2109255
    Gadolhadorah
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    I have been to several simchas at the Kol Eliyahu sephardic shul in Sheepshead Bay. Its a beautiful shul with a very welcoming tzibur that follows a Lebanese hashkafah. It seemed a bit more “modern” than the Syrian Sephardeshe shuls I’ve been to but others here in the CR may know better if they rigidly follow the Syrian takana on geyrim.

    #2109257
    ujm
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    The SY shuls are just as happy as anyone else to have geirim. Their takana is only against members marrying a ger and against their rabbis conducting conversions. Nothing else. Geirim are more than welcome to join SY Shuls.

    #2109258
    ujm
    Participant

    In any event, there are countless non-Syrian Sephardic Shuls in Brooklyn.

    #2109274
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    Yes, what are some of those places?

    #2109313
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    Try godavendotcom

    #2109339
    Yabia Omer
    Participant

    Ahava veachva is Egyptian. Netivot is Moroccan. SLC is Lebanese. Etc

    #2109360
    ujm
    Participant

    I don’t want to share which one me and my three wives are due paying community members of, since GodolHaDofi will then start picketing outside every Shabbat that we are there.

    #2109373

    one on Ave K and Bedford Ave.
    One an e 7th st bet Kings highway and Ave R. next to the Mir

    #2109533
    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    “I don’t want to share which one me and my three wives are due paying community members of, since GodolHaDofi will then start picketing outside every Shabbat that we are there.”

    Sad that he hasn’t even looked up to the ezras nashim and realized that Nos. 1 and 3 quietly walk across the street after the start of davening to the Ashkenazi Shtiebel

    #2109606
    SfaradiGamur
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    Probably not, unless you go to a Temanni or Persian shul. Egyptian and Moroccan Kehilot in Brooklyn also adopted this rule.

    #2109641
    Avi K
    Participant

    There are many different Sephardi and Eidot haMirzrach (strictly speaking, a Sephardi is someone who is descended from Gerush Sepharad) communities. So far as I know, the takana only applies to the Syrian community (and not all Syrian rabbis supported it).

    #2109644
    ujm
    Participant

    Avi: All Syrian rabbonim fully support it.

    #2109974
    Ng76b3c
    Participant

    No one is against geirim from outside communities
    After all it a mitzva deoraita to love a ger
    The takana was for people in those communities

    #2110105

    So, if a potential ger comes to Syrians, do they tell him: “go to Chabad, then come back and we will give you a shishi”?

    #2110134
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    Actually they don’t count a ger for a minyan or give them an aliyah

    #2110197
    commonsaychel
    Participant

    @dov, now you have at least 15 option from various people

    #2111811
    SfaradiGamur
    Participant

    Maybe try Chaim Sha’al on ave N and east 12th. They’re mostly Israeli, with mixed Sephardic background, I highly doubt they care about the Ger rule. There is a Moroccan shul on N and 14th, called Yismach Moshe. They probably don’t either care about the Ger rule.

    #2114612
    1
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    Are there any Sephardi shuls in Brooklyn that don’t abide by the SY takkana against gerim?

    It’s mainly aimed at people who convert for marriage which was a big issue when the takkanas came out. They aren’t against geirim in principle. Learn context. These other sephardic shuls in Brooklyn are newer and thus the issues of intermarriage aren’t the same now.

    #2114766
    ujm
    Participant

    The SY geirim takana is only applicable in the SY community. NOT in any other Sephardic communities.

    #2115122
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    From what I understand, gerim are forbidden from shul membership, burial and kibudim such as an aliyah. Regardless of whether they want to marry a Syrian or not. It goes beyond marriage into an outright cherem on gerim. In Brooklyn, there are non Sy kehillos that adapted this takkana so they’d be accepted by the Syrian establishment.

    #2115187
    ujm
    Participant

    Shul membership and burial is only available for SY community members. Any non-member isn’t qualified. It isn’t that geirim are banned but rather any non-member of the community.

    #2115379
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    A ger cannot become a member. So if a=b and b=c, a=c

    #2115412
    ujm
    Participant

    A Ashkenazi cannot become a member either. Nor can a Persian, Yekke, or Chosid become a member.

    #2115469
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    Yet I’ve seen lots of SYs with the last name Greenberg. They’d give an Ashkenazi an aliyah but not a ger

    #2115492
    ujm
    Participant

    Have you met any SYs with the last names Teitelbaum, Katzenelenbogen or Deutsch?

    They give aliyas to geirim who happen to come to their minyanim. They just don’t sell memberships to non-SYs.

    #2115611
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    Do you have evidence of the last point? I was told by a Syrian rabbi that he is not permitted to give someone he knows to be a ger an aliyah. On the other hand, I would imagine that if a caucasian ger who looks Jewish went to such a shul, they may offer him an aliyah

    #2117033
    1
    Participant

    I doubt geirim get Aaliyah’s in non-sy shuls

    #2117132
    dovrosenbaum
    Participant

    Why wouldn’t they? An ignorant comment.

    #2143452
    SQUARE_ROOT
    Participant

    In the average Ashkenazic synagogue,
    the % of kohanim is around 1% to 3%.

    In the average Syrian synagogue,
    the % of Kohanim is around 30% to 35%.

    Since the Torah prohibits Kohanim from marrying
    converts [gerim], is it wise to permit converts in
    a community where 30% of the men are Kohanim?

    Additionally, some poskim [whose names I unfortunately
    cannot remember] have written that Kohanim who are
    Syrian and/or Sephardic have a greater [or better]
    mesorah of kehunah than Ashkenazic Kohanim,
    which makes the prohibition against Kohanim
    marrying converts even greater for Kohanim
    who are Syrian and/or Sephardic.

    For example: When a Syrian Kohen performs a
    Pidyon HaBen, he NEVER gives the money back,
    because the Syrian Rabbis hold that there is
    no doubt [safek] on the identity of their Kohanim.

    Compare this to Ashkenazic Kohanim, who return
    the Pidyon HaBen money, because they fear
    a doubt [safek] on their identity of their Kohanim.

    Is it wise to permit converts in a community
    where 30% of men are Kohanim, who have
    no safek on their yichus as Kohanim?

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