February 16, 2014 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #612148popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I am adding my anecdotal evidence.
I burnt my 4th and 5th finger badly last night while making popcorn with butter. (touched hot pot). So I put them under running water, and then submerged in cold water for a few hours. And it killed when I took it out, so I just kept it in. Until I needed to go to sleep, so I took them out, but it was unbearable, so I drank some whiskey and took some drugs and went to sleep.
No blister. Impossible to explain.February 16, 2014 2:46 pm at 2:46 pm #1005552
It was the alcohol and drugs.
(When I saw the thread title, I assumed that the word burn was an imperative verb rather than a noun )February 16, 2014 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1005553mom12Participant
It was the water! NOT the boozeFebruary 16, 2014 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm #1005554
I’m not sure what part of cooling down a burn prevents blistering is impossible for you to understand. I’m also not sure why you think it’s funny to post that way. My 8 year old does that too.February 16, 2014 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #1005555
Your 8 year old posts?
I normally understand what you don’t like about popa’s posts, but not this time.February 16, 2014 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1005556SaysMeMember
on a serious note, i discovered a few weeks ago that some people still think you are supposed to put butter or oil on a burn. DON’T, it will trap the heat and make it continue burning inside for longer. Just cold water for min 15 minutesFebruary 16, 2014 4:24 pm at 4:24 pm #1005557
This is what you do. You keep your burned hand submerged in cold water (make sure it stays very cold) for as long as you want. The cold a) cools down the burned skin before it gets more damaged), and really takes away the pain for as long as the finger, etc. is submerged. If you have Sylvadine (sp?) cream, available only by prescription, that will more ro less instantly stop the pain, depending on the severity of the burn. What Popa described should be easily handled by this.
I once thoughtlessly picked up a frying pan by the handle, when it had been in my oven for a few minutes. Yes, I forgot to use a potholder. I had burns across a nice swath of skin. I immediately ran the cold water, filled a pot and put my hand in. Well, that is not really accurate. I immediately screamed my guts out, THEN went to get the cold water. After about half an hour, with changing the water a couple of times or adding an ice cube to keep it cold, I finally took my hand out. One area was burned a little more and thus still hurt a bit, but I had some of the Sylvadine cream from a time when someone in my family was a little careless while draining a pot of spaghetti (fortunately not injured too severely), and it worked instantly.
Be careful, people. And whatever you do, don’t put your finger in your mouth if you burn it on a popcorn (or any other)pot. Remember what happened to Moshe Rabbeinu.
Refuah shelaima, Popa.February 16, 2014 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #1005558golferParticipant
DY, I also thought I was being advised to burn the Yated’s advice.
(A common reaction, by the way, when receiving advice, is to want to incinerate the advice or the advisor, instead of graciously and wisely processing the suggestion, and considering if or how to implement it.)
Back on topic, you wouldn’t believe how many people still think it’s smart (it’s not; it’s dangerous) to put all kinds of strange kitchen products on a burn. I was told by someone pretending to quote a “study” to put raw egg whites on a burn!
I’m glad you knew better, oomis. Your post had me wincing and cringing in pain. Ouch! If we weren’t all so anonymous here, I’d ship you a pair of thick oven mitts!February 16, 2014 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1005559
I’ve learned in first aid certification courses NEVER to put very cold or ice water on a burn because it, too, can damage the skin. It is imperative (per the information I received) to soak in lukewarm/tepid water to keep the skin temp down but not further exacerbate the damage.February 17, 2014 12:07 am at 12:07 am #1005560Little FroggieMember
Wow! Golfer, I’m sure that was in jest. Put egg whites on the burn?? – To watch it fry?!?February 17, 2014 1:50 am at 1:50 am #1005561HaLeiViParticipant
A serious (sub-emergency serious) burn should be cooled for up to 24 hours. I did this twice within a month (one burn was mine, one a child’s) and it was amazing how a terrible-looking and very painful burn improved overnight. Once you have thoroughly had it with standing at the sink, wrap the burn with a wet rag, and keep re-wetting it with cool water. It can help to include a couple of freez-pops (or bag of frozen peas, etc) in your wrapping. I actually put the child to bed with her forearm wrapped, and I went into the room every 20-30 min of the evening to re-wet it. A burn can be painful for many days, but this treatment made all the difference BH. I too got all kinds of weird advice at the time (grated potato, egg, who knows) so figured better to post this than not to.February 17, 2014 4:25 am at 4:25 am #1005562
Syag Lchochma -“I’ve learned in first aid certification courses NEVER to put very cold or ice water on a burn because it, too, can damage the skin.”
Yes, it can.
“It is imperative (per the information I received) to soak in lukewarm/tepid water to keep the skin temp down but not further exacerbate the damage.”
You can use cold water also, but not for a long time.February 17, 2014 4:27 am at 4:27 am #1005563
GENERIC NAME: SILVER SULFADIAZINE – TOPICAL (SIL-ver SIL-fa-DYE-a-zeen)
BRAND NAME(S): SilvadeneFebruary 17, 2014 4:35 am at 4:35 am #1005564WIYMember
Little kids suck their fingers when they hurt it and it usually feels better. Go find a baby to suck your finger the next time you hurt it.February 17, 2014 4:38 am at 4:38 am #1005565
oomis -“If you have Sylvadine (sp?) cream, available only by prescription, that will more ro less instantly stop the pain, depending on the severity of the burn.”
Silvadene is an antibiotic; nothing to do with Pain relief!
Use Bacitracin, it’s OTC and it’s cheaper than Silvadene.February 17, 2014 6:38 am at 6:38 am #1005566HaLeiViParticipant
Health, I think many doctors prescribe Sylvadene for burns.February 17, 2014 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1005567notasheepMember
If it’s a very bad burn you should (after soaking it under running cool water) dress the area in clear plastic wrap or a polythene bag, since this won’t stick to the damaged skin. DO NOT PUT A BANDAGE ON IT – this will stick to the skin and make it peel off when you take the bandage off.February 17, 2014 3:21 pm at 3:21 pm #1005568mom12Participant
notasheep- you forgot to add ‘see a doctor’.
There is a sign in my pediatrician’s office- not to call for help until burn is submerged in water for 2 hours!
cuz once you call they will take you hospital you won’t be able to soak the burn any longer-February 17, 2014 4:02 pm at 4:02 pm #1005569nfgo3Member
Threads like these puzzle me. Treating a burn is a medical problem with medical solutions. Why do so many readers of YWN bring their medical problems to an anonymous group of yentas (including me), who in few cases purport to even have medical credentials, and seek advice for medical problems. Some of these responses sound right to me, some sound wrong, and some sound scary. But the scariest thing is that some people would rather seek advice from unknown, uncredentialed yentas than seek medical help for a medical problem.
And, just to add my own uncredentialled 2 cents, the soaking in cold water promptly after suffering the burn is what prevented the blistering. But be sensible – don’t take my word for it.February 17, 2014 8:14 pm at 8:14 pm #1005570
Sorry, Health, with all respect to your “health field” connection, the doctor SPECIFICALLY told us to use the silvadene (thank you for the spelling correction,DY) to relieve the PAIN of the burn, as well as for its antibiotic sulfa properties. And relieve the pain (nearly instantly) it absolutely did.
As to the cold water, COLD, not ice water is what I use. I only referred to use of an ice cube, to keep the newly-tepid water cold without having to run cold water again. I would NOT recommend ice water or putting an ice cube on a burn. It WOULD damage the skin. But very cold water is VERY helpful in reducing the damage and further burning of the tissue, and does relieve the pain as long as the finger, hand, etc. is submerged completely. I do not understand WHY that is the case, but I have always found it to be so. I am guessing it would not really work the same way for a third degree burn. But the type most of us get from getting splashed with hot water, or touching a hot pot without gloves (thank you, Golfer, for your good intentions), IS easily controlled with this method, in my (unfortunately)vast experience.February 18, 2014 4:31 am at 4:31 am #1005572
oomis -“Sorry, Health, with all respect to your “health field” connection, the doctor SPECIFICALLY told us to use the silvadene (thank you for the spelling correction,DY) to relieve the PAIN of the burn, as well as for its antibiotic sulfa properties. And relieve the pain (nearly instantly) it absolutely did.”
I stand by my previous statement!
From Drugs.com: “Each gram of Silvadene Cream 1% contains 10 mg of micronized silver sulfadiazine. The cream vehicle consists of white petrolatum, stearyl alcohol, isopropyl myristate, sorbitan monooleate, polyoxyl 40 stearate, propylene glycol, and water, with methylparaben 0.3% as a preservative. Silvadene Cream 1% (silver sulfadiazine) spreads easily and can be washed off readily with water.”
The only way Silvadene gives any pain relief is because it’s a cream (i.e. white Vaseline) and/or the placebo effect!February 18, 2014 6:24 am at 6:24 am #1005573vashtischwartzMember
notasheep, don’t use plastic, the wound needs to breathe.
If it’s a serious burn, you need to protect the site with sterile gauze.February 18, 2014 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #1005574popa_bar_abbaParticipant
This is bizarre. I’d like to know what science says about this. Why do I need to get conflicting advice from signs hanging in doctor’s offices?February 18, 2014 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #1005575
Not a placebo effect, Health. I have over my six decades burned my hand on many a stupid occasion, and other so-called burn ointments did zip (and certain types of ointments can make the burn worse). Stuff like Solarcaine, etc. never really helped except for a minute or so. Silvadene was the only effective treatment we have ever used, and it TOTALLY stopped the pain.
For a more serious burn, a doctor should ALWAYS be consulted, as infection could set in, and there might be more damage to the underlayers of skin. And if it is chas v’sholom a child who is injured, I don’t care how minor the burn seems, I would call the doctor.February 18, 2014 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1005576
Burns should be cooled with water to stop the burning process.
However, you must be careful to dry the burned area to avoid hypothermia. So cool with water, then dry.
Also, if the skin has been broken, try keeping the area clean, as it can easily become infected.
Another point, when a child gets Ch”v burnt, check for trauma, trauma is the leading cause of death in burn patients and is often overlooked.February 18, 2014 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #1005577
Is anyone familiar with the ‘potato thing’? there are some people that put raw potato on a burn site, they claim that it heals rapidly.
There is a ‘burn lady’ in monsey that assists people with it.
Anyone heard about this?February 18, 2014 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1005578
check for trauma”
And I would add another caveat; PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE do not ever leave boiling pots with the handles turned outward, or anything hot on the front burners unless you are there watching those pots. Kids have a scary way of trying to climb up to the stovetop when your back is turned “just for a second,” and pull pots down on themselves. it happened to my neighbor’s child when we had just moved in. I had not even met the neighbor, when a child came running for help because her sibling had overturned a pot of soup and received several (thankfully not hospital-worthy) painful burns.February 18, 2014 7:21 pm at 7:21 pm #1005579
oomis – “Not a placebo effect, Health. I have over my six decades burned my hand on many a stupid occasion, and other so-called burn ointments did zip (and certain types of ointments can make the burn worse). Stuff like Solarcaine, etc. never really helped except for a minute or so. Silvadene was the only effective treatment we have ever used, and it TOTALLY stopped the pain.”
Sorry, a least Solarcaine has an anesthetic in it, while Silvadene does’t! I posted this above -“Use Bacitracin, it’s OTC and it’s cheaper than Silvadene.”February 18, 2014 7:42 pm at 7:42 pm #1005580
vashtischwartz -“notasheep, don’t use plastic, the wound needs to breathe.
If it’s a serious burn, you need to protect the site with sterile gauze.”
There are special, sterile bandages that won’t stick to wounds!
Example – ADAPTIC Non-Adherent DressingsFebruary 18, 2014 7:52 pm at 7:52 pm #1005581
2scents -“Is anyone familiar with the ‘potato thing’? there are some people that put raw potato on a burn site, they claim that it heals rapidly.
There is a ‘burn lady’ in monsey that assists people with it.
Anyone heard about this?”
I wouldn’t try any of these old wives tales (Bubby tales) because
they aren’t Sterile!February 18, 2014 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #1005582
thats if the skin is broken. But what if the skin is intact?
I googled it, there is something about it online.February 18, 2014 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #1005583
Putting butter on a burn is like frying it.February 18, 2014 9:28 pm at 9:28 pm #1005584
you might want to check with a doctor before applying bacitracin to a burn, ointments and gels are not recommended as they can exacerbate the burn.February 18, 2014 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1005585
Ointments should wait a week or so.February 18, 2014 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #1005586
Sorry, a least Solarcaine has an anesthetic in it, while Silvadene does’t! I posted this above -“Use Bacitracin, it’s OTC and it’s cheaper than Silvadene.”
I guess we have to agree to disagree. In my personal experience with Silvadene, I have found it to be extremely excellent as an anesthetic for the burn pain.February 19, 2014 3:45 am at 3:45 am #1005587
rebyidd23 -“Ointments should wait a week or so.”
Bacitracin ointment can be put on right away!February 19, 2014 3:57 am at 3:57 am #1005588
oomis -“I guess we have to agree to disagree. In my personal experience with Silvadene, I have found it to be extremely excellent as an anesthetic for the burn pain.”
“I guess we have to agree to disagree.”
Not really. Your disagreement has to be based on logic.
The only way Silvadene gives any pain relief is because it’s a cream (i.e. white Vaseline) and/or the placebo effect!February 19, 2014 4:04 am at 4:04 am #1005589
“Do not put ointments, grease, petroleum jelly, butter, or home remedies on the burn”
Fort Drum Medical academy-PATIENT EDUCATION HANDOUTS
First Aid for First-Degree BurnsFebruary 19, 2014 5:57 am at 5:57 am #1005590
Potatoes just happen to be within reach when people burn themselves while cooking.February 19, 2014 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1005591
Syag Lchochma -“you might want to check with a doctor before applying bacitracin to a burn, ointments and gels are not recommended as they can exacerbate the burn.”
There are exceptions for every rule!February 19, 2014 11:24 pm at 11:24 pm #1005592
The rule is check with your doctor before you let someone on the internet tell you that something many people deem unsafe is really a good idea. There are no exceptions to that rule.February 20, 2014 2:17 am at 2:17 am #1005593
Syag Lchochma -“The rule is check with your doctor before you let someone on the internet tell you that something many people deem unsafe is really a good idea”
Since when are a few bloggers on YWN considered “many people”?February 20, 2014 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1005594
You are the ‘someone on the internet’, the ‘many people’ are actually educated humans that I know in real life.February 20, 2014 2:52 am at 2:52 am #1005595
Syag Lchochma -“You are the ‘someone on the internet’, the ‘many people’ are actually educated humans that I know in real life.”
Yes, e/o should believe you when you say “the ‘many people’ are actually educated humans that I know in real life”, but noone should believe me when I say – I’m a medical professional!
Logic at it’s finest.February 20, 2014 2:54 am at 2:54 am #1005596
but you aren’t a medical professional.February 20, 2014 3:00 am at 3:00 am #1005597
and I am not dispensing medical advice, I told people to call their doctors. you want people to just follow your advice as if you were their doctor. It isn’t about logic.
And I just remembered these hamster wheel conversations you have, tearing each post to shreds line by line. I’ll save you the time and trouble, I will click elsewhere.February 20, 2014 3:14 am at 3:14 am #1005598
Syag Lchochma -“but you aren’t a medical professional.”
This last line just cracked me up! All these years I offer my medical advice for Chessed, in spite of people like you – who never had/have a drop of appreciation!February 20, 2014 5:45 am at 5:45 am #1005600
Not really. Your disagreement has to be based on logic.
The only way Silvadene gives any pain relief is because it’s a cream (i.e. white Vaseline) and/or the placebo effect! “
Logic dictates that if I have a burn and put Silvadene on it and the burn INSTANTLY stops hurting, and the same does NOT hold true for putting ‘white vaseline” on it, that it is not a placebo effect. It is the Silvadene. And the fact that the doctor himself prescribed it (and I quote)”to eliminate the pain and infection potential,” tends to give more weight to his opinion than someone else’s.February 20, 2014 7:19 am at 7:19 am #1005601
Health, why would someone appreciate advice which they think is wrong or even dangerous?February 20, 2014 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #1005602spiralParticipant
After the cold water it must be covered with gauze. Leaving the area exposed to air causes pain. When I removed the gauze after half an hour to see if my burn had blistered the pain set in again.
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