June 23, 2020 9:26 am at 9:26 am #1875447shoshana2016Participant
how to buy a small plot of land in israelJune 23, 2020 11:51 am at 11:51 am #1875550YehoshuaSovaParticipant
KinyanEretzYisrael. comJune 23, 2020 11:53 am at 11:53 am #1875559June 23, 2020 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1875746June 24, 2020 4:02 am at 4:02 am #1875936
Not possible. Everything is owned by the JNF/KKL. At most, if you buy a semi-detached/detached home – or even an empty lot – you’ll get a 99 year lease from them.June 24, 2020 10:58 am at 10:58 am #1876018
NOT everything is owned by the JNF/KKL
Please stop posting misinformation.
Some of us own homes/land that was purchased during the British Mandate.
We recently sold a house and 5 dunams of land in Ramat HaSharon that were purchased by a relative in 1946 from an Arab seller who wanted to move to the more Arab City of Yafo.
We own and the family uses a house and land it sits on in Herzylia Pituach puchased in the early 1980s.
Maybe most new development is on JNF/KKL land with land leases, but resales of privately owned land exist…they are not cheapJune 24, 2020 11:54 am at 11:54 am #1876056Someone in MonseyParticipant
You’re on the right track. Owning land in Israel is the single greatest long term investment in the entire world.June 24, 2020 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1876072
1) The JNF and the Israel Lands Authority have (re)claimed most privately owned land because the landowners almost never come forward when they are asked to.
2) What I posted is *not* misinformation when the overwhelming majority of sales today are in fact 99-year-leases. Anyone who has been involved in a real estate transaction in Israel would know that because there is usually a lease from the JNF/KKL attached to the sales contract and the registration in Tabu generally indicates as such. Let’s just say I deal with this professionally and would know.June 24, 2020 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #1876242
again, Overwhelming Majority is NOT the same as ALL
The home and land we own is ours and not a land lease. The house and land we sold was not a land lease. We pay heavy taxes each year on the land and improvements and the family has done so for decades.
Again, usually, does not mean alwaysJune 24, 2020 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #1876268JosephParticipant
How will owning title to property in Israel today going to help you when Moshiach comes as techiyas hameisim occurs?
The original Jewish property owners will reclaim all the property that was stolen from them by the Romans and all the other gentiles that seized Jewish property in Eretz Yisroel over the last two thousand years.June 25, 2020 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1876294
And my point, which I was trying to make delicately , is that quite bluntly, your privately held land – as well as that of others – is completely and utterly irrelevant to the thread.
The OP asked about buying land.
You and I both know that privately held land is impossible to get ahold of unless you’ve got a ton of money, and that privately owned land usually stays within the family (you’re proof of that yourself – I assume your property in Herzliya Pituach will be passed on to your kids, grandkids, etc.). People who do not have a ton of money or whose family did not buy land during the Mandate Period don’t have a stone’s chance in you-know-what of buying private land today, unless they go into Arab ruled areas and claim land as their own (and good luck with that brainless idea). This doesn’t need to be said. I don’t know the OP’s financial situation but more than likely she can’t buy the sort of land you’re talking about. So again, your case is irrelevant.
What i said before still stands.
Unless the OP is a multi-millionaire, she’ll end up spending a couple million shekels for a 99-year lease on a piece of property. The exception maybe if she buy a farm, but to the best of my knowledge, those are also owned by the JNF.June 25, 2020 6:16 am at 6:16 am #1876344n0mesorahParticipant
“The original Jewish property owners will reclaim all the property that was stolen from them by the Romans and all the other gentiles that seized Jewish property in Eretz Yisroel over the last two thousand years.”
Do you have a source for this? There is a whole sugya (Gittin 58) about how to buy land from the Romans in regard to the original owners. Besides, land conquered in war was universally considered legally acquired, until recently. ‘Occupied territory’ was at the discretion of the occupier. (Not sure when. 1948 UN? Maybe somebody here knows.) As far as I know, the halachah has not pivoted on this, and conquered property is legally owned. And, who are the original Jewish property owners? How would they prove it was theirs? According to your fiction, the land could belong to the Jews who were conquered by Sancheriev or Nebuchadnetzer. Or, perhaps even earlier conquests.
Maybe you meant something else.June 25, 2020 10:02 am at 10:02 am #1876423
You are correct that privately owned land is very hard to get a hold of unless you have a lot of money. We sold that house and land acquired by a relative in January 2020. I bought it from the relative in the 1990s. The purchaser paid us a lot of money, but wanted to own not lease land so it could be there for his children, grandchildren, etc.
I hate land leases. In 1970 my grandparents bought a condo in Florida with a 50 year land lease. They figured they were in their 80s and would not be around 50 years, so who cares. An aunt of mine has occupied it since her retirement. This year she got a notice that the land lease was up. The successors to the condo developers, now want an additional $500 month land rental and will only give two year leases. The market value has plunges. She has no investment in it as it sits in a family trust.
She is buying a new condo with no underlying land lease and the trust will sell the condo for peanuts.
I would not consider buying a home with a land lease. B”H I don’t have to.June 25, 2020 10:45 am at 10:45 am #1876451JosephParticipant
CTL: Presumably your aunt wasn’t surprised at the notice as she was cognizant of the 50 year time frame.June 25, 2020 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1876490Someone in MonseyParticipant
Regarding the apportioning of the Land under the auspices of Moshiach, there are two things to remember. First, the ultimate delineation of the Land is clearly spelled out in the final perek of Yechezkel, so we know which Tribe will be situated where. Second, navuah will return with rebuilding of the Bais HaMikdash, if not sooner given the right circumstances. With that, it will not be a problem to understand the specifics of Yechezkel, or to ascertain who the original owners were of which plot of land and who their descendants are; subsequent land sales would certainly be handled in the appropriate manner. That might not be how things are handled when the time comes, but it will be possible to do.June 25, 2020 1:08 pm at 1:08 pm #1876534
I don’t know if my aunt was cogisant of the underlying land lease, as she hadn’t bought the property, her parents did. It was left to a family trust. She occupied it at no cost, only paying expenses. She felt $500 additional land rent on top of common fees was more than it was worth, especially since she could not get a land lease longer than 2 yearsJune 25, 2020 7:56 pm at 7:56 pm #1876741n0mesorahParticipant
Thank you! But that does not tell us about the property owners (assuming there will be any) at that time. If they will be paid from some fund, then it is a worthwhile investment.
Why do you assume that there is no prophecy today? And why would one prophet be interpreting Yechezkel? Would that not be his own prophetic understanding?June 26, 2020 8:36 am at 8:36 am #1876909rationalParticipant
Speculation on land ownership when the Complete Redemption arrives is a wonderful waste of time.
I am not a real estate expert. However, my house in the Shomron belongs to me. I can sell it and receive market value. Thousands have done this and it is routine. I have a 49 year land lease from the Zionist State of Israel, and it will most likely be renewed for another 49, and then for another 49, etc… But it and the land underneath are still mine.
What the OP seems to want is a shtickel piece of land for the purpose of keeping shmittah or simply owning “karka b’eretz yisrael”. If that is so, it is very commendable. It is at least a partial acknowledgement of the pasuk וירישתם אותה וישבתם בה. A nice gesture indeed, and a step in the right direction. Akin to owning a Shas but never opening it. At least if I have it, there is a chance I may one day open it.
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