Can EY rely on U.S. committments of support if there was an Arab attack?

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    Gadolhadorah
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    After today’s decision to throw our Kurdish allies under the (Turkish) bus and doing nothing when Iran and its surrogates recently attacked the Saudi oil fields and a British tanker, can EY really assume that the U.S. will respond with military force if it is attacked? Yes, Trump has all the right words and symbolic actions, would the U.S. send troops and aircraft to help defend EY? Hopefully, EY has today and By’h will continue to have overwhelming military superiority to defend itself but I question the assumption among some Israelis that U.S. support is a given over the longer term.

    #1791950

    ubiquitin
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    can EY really assume that the U.S. will respond with military force if it is attacked?

    Of course not. Who has ever assumed that?

    #1791954

    Joseph
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    Do not confuse Eretz Yisroel with the Zionist State of Israel.

    Eretz Yisroel does not need any goy country. OTOH, the State of Israel is a vassal state of the United States and couldn’t survive without it.

    #1791960

    Goldilocks
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    The obvious answer to your question is NO.
    Honestly? They would be better off relying on the tooth fairy.
    Was that even a serious question?

    #1791961

    Whatsaktome
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    The U.S. never sent they’re army to fight in Israel, they gave them, and under trump will continue to give them supplies, trump pulled out troops from Syria, but israel is not in that situation,

    #1791971

    Milhouse
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    FIrst, as others have said, the US has never promised to fight for Israel, and nobody has ever expected it to. The most we can expect is that It will stand on the sidelines and resupply, as it did in the Yom Kippur War.

    The sad truth, however, is that even if the USA had made such a promise, Israel would not be so foolish as to rely on it. The USA has a long and shameful history of abandoning its friends and allies whenever it gets tired or distracted or sees some other opportunity, or whenever some domestic political advantage can be squeezed from it, or whatever.

    One of the most dishonorable episodes in US history was when South Vietnam successfully fought off a massive invasion and then turned to the USA to fulfill our solemn commitment to resupply its depleted arms and to provide air support, and the Democrats in Congress refused to fund it, KNOWING AND INTENDING that this would mean our allies would fall to the next attack and would be slaughtered and enslaved. This was unforgivable.

    #1791973

    akuperma
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    The Medinah can rest assured about the United States honoring commitments, Just consider how the US stood by Ukraine when Russia invaded and occupied several of its provinces. Remember how the US stood up for pro-democracy revolutions in Hungary and Czechoslovakia in the Soviet era. Remember how the US stood by South Vietnam when the Communists broke the peace agreement and launched a full scale invasion, sending massive numbers of Vietnamese fleeing the country. If the Zionists actually believe the USA would go to war to save their state, they are dumber than even the most fanatical hareidim could imagine.

    #1791975

    ☕️coffee addict
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    There is no doubt that trump isn’t the “warmonger” that those on the left want you to believe

    That being said, this is a stupid decision

    And

    “Hopefully, EY has today and By’h will continue to have overwhelming military superiority to defend itself but I question the assumption among some Israelis that U.S. support is a given over the longer term.“

    אין לנו להשאיר אלא על אבינו שבשמים

    #1791979

    samthenylic
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    Ein lanu lehishoen elo al Avinu shebashomayim.
    Case closed…. the sooner we realize that, the faster our Geulah.

    #1791980

    samthenylic
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    Ein lanu lehishoen elo al Avinu shebashomayim…. The sooner we realize this, the faster our Geulah.

    #1792139

    interjection
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    ” I question the assumption among some Israelis that U.S. support is a given over the longer term.”

    I never knew that any Israelis assume that support will is a given. Israeli policy on security is that we cannot rely on anyone. Israel planned to bomb Iran when Obama was president and they would have done so, knowing that they would’ve alienated themselves from the USA, if not for Obama discovering the plan and revealing it to the media.

    #1792203

    Whatsaktome
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    Hashem will support israel, whether through america or other venues, as of now it seems like its going to happen through america

    #1792244

    Reb Eliezer
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    coffee addict, אין לנו להשען אלא על אבינו שבשמים, we are unable to rely on anyone but on our Father in heaven.

    #1792252

    Joseph
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    אין לנו להשען אלא על אבינו שבשמים

    We can only rely on HKB”H. We cannot rely on the Israelis, the Israeli government, the Israeli army or anyone else.

    We need to daven to the RBS”O.

    אין לנו להשען אלא על אבינו שבשמים

    #1792161

    Gadolhadorah
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    There is a fairly wide range of opinion within Israeli intelligence and military ranks as to exactly how much “support” will be forthcoming under different strategic scenarios. The biggest concern is in the intelligence area where the U.S. has historically not always “shared” real-time intelligence even while providing military hardware. The concern here is Trump’s incredible self-focus and absence of rational analysis and how that would play out in a scenario where providing support might not be popular at the moment. Watching how quickly he distanced himself from his own words on the Kurds and always seems to “blame” someone else for adverse outcomes, having a brass plate on a building in Yerushalayim will be of little help. Some here may recall how close EY came to open conflict with U.S./U.K forces during the 1956 Suez campaign. While we are nowhere in that situation, even with Trump, his “love of Israel” should be taken like just about any other Trumpism….don’t take it to the bank.

    #1792586

    Reb Eliezer
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    אין לנו להשאיר – Joseph, coffee addict where do you find this expression?

    #1792573

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Reb eliezer,

    Thanks, my phone autocorrected it and that’s why it came out like that

    Looks like joe had the same problem too

    #1793309

    Reb Eliezer
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    You can say on the president כל הפוסל במומו פוסל Whoever denigrades does it with his own faults. I am rubber you are glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks on you.

    #1793314

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Reb eliezer,

    Then you can say it about the Democrat candidates too

    #1793346

    Reb Eliezer
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    When one sets a fire, he does not get credit when putting it out with a cease fire.

    #1793478

    Joseph
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    The President did a beautiful job on Syria where he got America out of the country (not that I necessarily agree it was a good idea to get the U.S. out, but that is what Mr. Trump promised the voters before the election and has now delivered what he was elected to do) AND he got a ceasefire between the Turks and their Kurdish enemies.

    Bravo and job well done.

    #1793556

    ☕️coffee addict
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    Joe,

    I think you hit the nail on its head

    The whole reason trump is doing this (along with his North Korea policy among others) is because of his promise to bring the troops home

    #1793547

    Gadolhadorah
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    Bravo and well done for effectively sanctioning the Turkish invasion and occupation of the territory of another sovereign nation. I’m sure he will be extending high fives to the Trumpkopf the next time Russian surrogates occupy more areas of the Ukraine, when China builds more outposts in the South China Sea and Cuba claims it requires a protective zone on the coast of South Florida. The President simply emboldened one of the biggest anti-Semites in the Middle East consistent with his embracing dictators like Putin, Bolsonaro in Brazil Duterte in the Philippines and Orban in Hungary (not even mentioning the ruling monarchs of Saudi Arabia etc.).

    #1793577

    Joseph
    Participant

    Cry me a river for giving a hoot that Turkey is violating Syria’s Hafez Al Assad’s sovereignty.

    Were you so worried when Bill Clinton violated Serbia’s sovereignty when he sent troops into Serbia’s Kosovo? That action by Clinton paved the way for Putin to do the same thing in the Crimea.

    President Trump, may the RBS”O protect him, grant him health and long life and reign in power for many years as President, has been the Jews best friend in the Oval Office since George Washington.

    #1793632

    Gadolhadorah
    Participant

    Reb Yosef: How come the kiddush club at your shtieblach starts so early?? You obviously have had several l’chaims too many. Yidden’s best friend since GW?? With friends like the Trumpkopf,……..
    Anyway a gutten moed and gutten shabbos.

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