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July 26, 2013 1:20 am at 1:20 am #610168SecularFrummyMember
I know the question is a bit out there, but I recently read an article about someone using milk to get scruffs out of a leather handbag. Would this be an issue of hana’a from basar v’chalav?
July 26, 2013 1:44 am at 1:44 am #968087midwesternerParticipantBasar B’chalav has nothing to do with animal skins
July 26, 2013 1:49 am at 1:49 am #968088rebdonielMemberNo, because the goyim eat leather pieces on a roll with American cheese and ketchup at Mickey D’s.
July 26, 2013 1:55 am at 1:55 am #968089Sam2ParticipantSF: No, they were never cooked together. Also, leather does not have the Halachic status of “Basar”.
July 26, 2013 2:41 am at 2:41 am #968090SecularFrummyMemberWhy is leather not considered “basar?”
July 26, 2013 3:31 am at 3:31 am #968091TheGoqParticipantThis whole question is udderly ridiculis (sorry someone was gonna say it may as well be me)
July 26, 2013 3:53 am at 3:53 am #968092oomisParticipantGoq, you’re gonna milk this for all its worth, aren’t you!?! (Sorry, didn’t mean to horn in on your pun..er..fun). Let’s moo-ve on…
July 26, 2013 4:59 am at 4:59 am #968093yitayningwutParticipantSecularFrummy –
Only something with flavor is halachicly considered food for purposes of issur v’heter.* Therefore dried out bones and hides which have no (or extremely little) flavor do not constitute meat in the sense that they would be prohibited to mix with milk. This is probably what Sam means.
*The Torah says that non-kosher food should be given to the ger toshav among us. On this the Gemara darshens that only food which is fit to be given to another human being to eat is not kosher; not something which is “not fit for the ger.” Therefore something spoiled or something completely dried out of flavor does not have non-kosher status.
July 26, 2013 7:32 am at 7:32 am #968094ToiParticipantits muttar for a bunch of reasons.
July 26, 2013 10:54 am at 10:54 am #968095TheGoqParticipantha ha oomis you are hilarious id steak my reputation on it.
July 26, 2013 11:37 am at 11:37 am #968096rebdonielMemberA piece of leather halakhically is like a piece of dried wood. It’s not food, just as many would pasken that gelatin is like a piece of dried wood.
July 26, 2013 12:16 pm at 12:16 pm #968097SecularFrummyMemberyitayningwut- Using that logic, of only something with flavor counts, why would rennet ever be considered non-kosher? By itself, there is no flavor.
July 26, 2013 1:01 pm at 1:01 pm #968098cherrybimParticipant“Would this be an issue of hana’a from basar v’chalav?”
Do you drink milk or eat products containing milk; the milk comes a cow which is meat, and isn’t this basar v’chalav?
July 26, 2013 2:33 pm at 2:33 pm #968099yitayningwutParticipantSecularFrummy –
I am not sure why you say rennet has no flavor on its own, I was under the impression that it does. And since it changes the whole cheese and makes it what it is (as yeast does to dough, for example), the cheese retains the issur.
July 26, 2013 8:01 pm at 8:01 pm #968100SecularFrummyMemberyitayningwut- Of course it has some taste, as does everything have a taste.
Bite down on a piece of leather and tell me you can’t taste anything, it may not be an appetizing flavor, but that does not mean it is devoid of any.
A mass of rennet on its own has very little appetizing flavor.
July 26, 2013 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #968101yitayningwutParticipantRennet might not have an appetizing flavor but its flavor adds to the flavor of the cheese in a positive way, just like salt and yeast aren’t very appetizing on their own but they add significantly to the final product. Leather does not have anything to offer. Try it, you’ll see.
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