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I just wanted to reiterate, in case there were any sfeikos created in anybody’s mind, that no-one today has enough knowledge or any power to say that Rishinim were wrong. Let alone on a news site forum.
I just wanted to reiterate, in case there were any sfeikos created in anybody’s mind, that no-one today has enough knowledge or any power to say that Rishinim were wrong. Let alone on a news site forum.
Just like Rav Aharon Kotler never read Tolstoy 🙂
From the good old days:
I just wanted to reiterate, in case there were any sfeikos created in anybody’s mind, that no-one today has enough knowledge or any power to say that Rishinim were wrong. Let alone on a news site forum.
And as I am apt to say, a Rishon is only not possible to be wrong if he speaks ex cathedra. If he does not speak ex cathedra, he could be wrong.
The are many matters about which Rishonim disagreed, Therefore some were right and some were wrong. If they had all agreed on everything, there would be no need for Achronim to carry on the debates. The question is therefore a classic example of a “Klutz Kasha” since on its own terms the answer is obvious.
And the Moon Walks were Faked as its a spirtual place and not a physical place
The are many matters about which Rishonim disagreed, Therefore some were right and some were wrong. If they had all agreed on everything, there would be no need for Achronim to carry on the debates. The question is therefore a classic example of a “Klutz Kasha” since on its own terms the answer is obvious.
Come on! Elu V’Elu means they were both right (just don’t ask me how)
I remember the chazon ish writing that the ritva was wrong. At least he thought he can say so.
1. There are Mitzius questions (e.g. Who was R’ Yehoshua Ben Korcha and when did he live? How old was Yitzchak at the tiem of the Akeida?) Which obviously have a right answer and wrong answers
2. We see from this rishonim themselves. Look at some of the Rashbams in Bava Basra and see how he refers to some counter opinions (e.g. HEVEL, etc)
3. NEVERTHELESS, we are not able to take sides. WE can’t say PLONI RISHON was wrong. We can observe from the nature of the machlokes that one is wrong and one is right, we can’t choose, and we should do our best to understand both sides and how they got to their opinion
Obviously the other thread was full of apikursus and kifirah, that’s why it was closed. Why was this thread allowed to continue down that path?
simbin- az beseder, atah chamor.
Come on! Elu V’Elu means they were both right (just don’t ask me how) ”
IS that what Elu v’Elu means, or does it mean that no matter which side is actually correct, BOTH sides have the merit and kedusha of being Hashem-inspired?
Whether or not I follow a specific Rov’s p’sak personally, I still have kovod for the fact that this is a person of great Torah learning. The Rishonim might have disagreed with each other at times, but their words are still holy.
Moshe Rabeinu was wrong a few times. Amram his father never sinned, yet made a mistake in divorcing his wife.
Of course a Rishon can be wrong!
We are just so much wronger.
Simbin I am not sure if you are serious but Is the moon a physical object?
SecularFrummy,
I think your original OP question belies a false dilemma fallacy. You are attempting to force a choice between two options: either the Rishonim were infallible (i.e., superhuman or deity) or we must find a means to determine their errors, and question their rulings. This is fundamentally not logical.
When I was in high school, I once solved a long mathematical problem and came up with a different solution than the textbook’s. I brought the problem to the teacher, who took a look and realized that there was an error in the textbook. I was praised for my work and for not being satisfied with blindly accepting the textbook’s solution as correct by default.
Looking back, I think that ultimately this incident had a more negative effect on my future learning than a positive one. For a long time afterwards, if I solved a problem and arrived at a different answer from the textbook or the teacher, I would be more inclined to stick to my guns and argue that my solution was correct. After all, textbooks are not perfect and can have errors! It turns out that errors in high school math textbooks are exceedingly rare, and errors in high school student math homework are common.
Rather than coming up with my own solution, and dismissing the textbook’s solution as wrong and ending my thoughts there, I would have been much better served by digging deeper into what I viewed as the wrong solution, working backwards and discovering my own mistakes.
Yes, the acharonim, rishonim, tannaim, amoraim, the sages of the Sanhedrin, the prophets, judges, and our forefathers were all human beings. Human beings are not infallible and can make mistakes. It is much more likely, however, for me to make a mistake in my Torah learning than our sages, so ultimately it is much more productive to look for my own mistakes than it is to look for theirs if the answers don’t line up.
It is also most likely that if there was a mistake, it has already been addressed by another sage.
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