CAN WE TAKE A TIME MACHINE TO THE PAST OR FUTURE?

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  • #2089476
    CHOOSID
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    Do you think there will be a time when we can travel to the past or future?
    Do you think it contradicts the torah?

    #2089520
    ☕️coffee addict
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    No

    Yes

    #2089517
    Leiby Wasser
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    I don’t think it contradicts the Torah, but it contradicts common sense. The past is one and the future is still to come.

    #2089519
    Kuvult
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    Only if your name is Eliyahu.

    #2089538
    TS Baum
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    While you can not go back in time, there is a way to go forward in time.

    #2089539
    TS Baum
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    You can do that by sitting in a cardboard box for 6 hours and come out after waiting those six hours, and kaboom – your ahead in time!

    #2089550
    World Saver
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    If it were possible they would have came to us and told us. So that is proof it would never happen.

    #2089553
    AviraDeArah
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    Time travel into the future seems scientifically possible due to general relativity and time dilation, as we’ve seen experiments where atomic clocks slow by a few nanoseconds as they are jettisoned at super sonic speeds. Estimates based on extrapolation are that if one nears or breaks the speed of light, time will pass by very slowly for him while remaining the same for everyone else.

    If such a traveler would fly at the speed of light for a year, he will have aged a year, but when he returns, many years will have passed by (i think over 100 but i don’t remember the figure)

    #2089555
    AviraDeArah
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    To avoid contradictions such as “if you traveled in the past you would already know” etc, theorists posit alternate timelines, but this is science fiction and I don’t think it’s oisge’halten in hashkofoh.

    #2089563
    Gadolhadorah
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    There is a certain CR poster who constantly insists we should go back to the time of yiddeshkeit’s golden era in the Alte Heim so perhaps he has developed the means of transporting us back to Eastern Europe in 18th/19th century. The more contemporary right-wing (political) segment of the tzibur would be happy to revert to a “Leave it to Beaver” velt when all was good if you were a white, affluent suburban family. The latter, however, offer a simple mechanism for achieving that outcome: Vote MAGA.

    #2089604
    ChananiaL
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    Yes scientifically it’s possible to travel into the future by traveling at speeds close to the speed of light, this has been experimentally verified with many different methods. Theoretically it is possible to build rocket engines capable of traveling at 30% of the speed of light which involve the actual detonation of miniature nuclear weapons within the engine body, no different in principle than combustion engines, but generating far more thrust. It’s possible that at sometime in the future this will be practically attempted.

    #2089723
    yungermanS
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    In the day a when we had prophets they were able to see into the future ahead for klal yisroel and know what message to give over directly from Hashem to avoid any bad tragic futures from happening to klal yisroel

    But today we sadly are not blessed with prophets who can tell us directly from Hashem what our future holds in store ahead for us.

    May we all wake up together and do teshuva so we can greet Mashiach together with all of Hashems prophets from the earlier generations coming to greet us. Speedily in our days

    #2089754
    akuperma
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    Traveling into the future is not a problem. Get in your car, spend an hour in the car, and you will be an hour into the future.

    Traveling into the past is a great literary device, but has no basis in “science”. One should note that there are example of time travel of sorts in our literature (e.g. the decision of the Yidden to accept Torah affected the creation of the world, and event that had already happened)

    #2089871
    midwesterner
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    Shnooky Shapiro met George Washington

    #2090032
    Goldilocks
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    Books are the greatest time machines imaginable.
    Through them, I can travel to any time and place I choose, can meet any famous person I choose, witness historic events…all while lounging on my couch and munching potato chips.

    #2090034
    CHOOSID
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    Menachst 29b:3 MOSHE RABEINU WENT TO THE FUTURE!!!
    Rav Yehuda says that Rav says: When Moshe ascended on High, he found the Holy One, Blessed be He, sitting and tying crowns on the letters of the Torah. Moshe said before Hashem: Master of the Universe, who is preventing You from giving the Torah without these additions? Hashem said to him: There is a man who is destined to be born after several generations, and Akiva ben Yosef is his name; he is destined to derive from each and every thorn of these crowns mounds upon mounds of halacha. It is for his sake that the crowns must be added to the letters of the Torah.Moshe said before Hashem: Master of the Universe, show him to me. Hashem said to him: Return behind you. Moshe went and sat at the end of the eighth row in Rabbi Akiva’s study hall and did not understand what they were saying. Moshes strength waned, as he thought his Torah knowledge was deficient. When Rabbi Akiva arrived at the discussion of one matter, his students said to him: My teacher, from where do you derive this? Rabbi Akiva said to them: It is a halacha transmitted to Moshe from Sinai. When Moshe heard this, his mind was put at ease, as this too was part of the Torah that he was to receive. THIS IS TIME TRAVEL!!!!!!!!

    #2090077
    AviraDeArah
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    Choosid – there are hundreds if not thousands of midrashim about ruach hakodesh and seeing into the future. It doesn’t mean he traveled, it means that Hashem showed it to him.

    #2090249
    mentsch1
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    The problem that I’ve always had with time travel on a scientific level, is that time is not a physical force that can be manipulated. Time is simply the measurement of moment moment using some sort of conventional scale.
    For example. The idea of a second didn’t exist 200 years ago simply because we did not have the tools to create a second. If you asked me if we could manipulate gravity one day, I would say yes because it is a physical force. What time isn’t.
    And then of course there is a theological problem of being able to manipulate past events that God already decreed.

    #2090331
    Chaylev Halyah
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    Time is very relative. It is a creation – just like space and matter.
    Just like we can manipulate space and matter, we should be able to manipulate time as well.
    All of creation is contained in the first particle of light, Time, space and matter.
    There are parts of the universe today that are from a bygone past – and there are parts of the universe today that are part of a future era.
    Time and space go together. As time goes on, we enter a different space.
    To time travel, all we have to do is travel to that space.
    Easier said than done.

    #2090354
    Reb Eliezer
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    I read a book Dr. Heidegger’s Experiment by Nathaniel Hathorne where the elderly drink the Fountain of Youth. They become young and relive their life being as bad as before. So the question is, would a person live his life differently if one could relive it?

    #2090529
    CHOOSID
    Participant

    DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO BUILD A CHASSIDESHE TIME MACHINE??

    #2091367
    Zushy
    Participant

    THERE WILL NEVER BE A TIME MACHINE INVENTED!!!

    RAAYO P’SHUTO ME’OID

    IF THERE WILL BE A TIME MACHINE IN THE FUTURE THEN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TURNED UP FROM THE FUTURE

    !!!!!

    IT MUST BE IMPOSSIBLE

    BE’HECHRAYACH

    #2091519
    elbendi
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    Only Hashem can be in the past, present, and future.
    היה הוה ויהיה

    #2091555
    TS Baum
    Participant

    But again, I don’t think we can.
    I think the RAAYO P’SHUTO ME’OID which is IF THERE WILL BE A TIME MACHINE IN THE FUTURE THEN SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TURNED UP FROM THE FUTURE is a very reasonable proof that we can’t travel BACK in time, but that wouldn’t rule out forward.

    But again, you could technically travel forward.
    You can do that by sitting in a cardboard box for 6 hours and come out after waiting those six hours, and kaboom – your ahead in time!

    #2091554
    TS Baum
    Participant

    elbendi – “היה הוה ויהיה” of course Hashem can be in the past, present, and future. This specifically means that he was G-d, is G-d, and will always be G-d. I’m absolutely positive Hashem can go back in time or forward in time, but I don’t think that when the author of the 13 Ikarim refered specifically to time travel. When it says
    “אֲנִי מַאֲמִין בֶּאֱמוּנָה שְׁלֵמָה שֶׁהַבּוֹרֵא יִתְבָּרַךְ שְׁמוֹ הוּא יָחִיד וְאֵין יְחִידוּת כָּמוֹהוּ בְּשׁוּם פָּנִים וְהוּא לְבַדּוֹ אֱלֺהֵינוּ הָיָה הֹוֶה וְיִהְיֶה”
    “וְהוּא לְבַדּוֹ אֱלֺהֵינוּ הָיָה הֹוֶה וְיִהְיֶה” the הָיָה הֹוֶה וְיִהְיֶה was reffering to Hashem being the Aibishter, was, is, & will always be.

    So I don’t think we can learn from here that humans can’t travel in time.

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