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April 17, 2013 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #609059mmbagMember
Dear YWN,
I’d like to create a better Jewish dating site, and as part of my research, I’m trying to set up friends. (Lest you think it’s hopeless – Thank G’, some friends my wife and I set up got married last year. :))
My questions:
1- Anyways, I’m curious if you guys know any good learning resources about it? Books, blogs etc?
2- A related point is that I’d love to get some mentoring/apprenticeship type thing with a shadchan. (I live in Jerusalem, if you have any local recommendations that’s awesome. Otherwise, happy to learn via skype etc.) Recommendations welcome, please :).
3 – I was wondering what would happen if a friend who I thought was unattractive came to me? How do I respond? For example, what if it’s a guy who smokes or is [very] socially awkward? What about a girl who’s really heavy (not just curvy, but really overweight)? I feel a bit hypocritical because it’s not so hard [mentally] for me to set up someone who has a problem with middot even though I recognize it’s equally as important.
The reason smoking/social awkwardness/heavyness is harder to deal with is because you can’t omit saying that, since %-wise many more people care. Whereas if a guy talks lashon hara or a girl is dishonest (but otherwise they’re attractive physically/personality), some people will overlook that/not realize it’s an issue/find excuses. You want to help people dealing with these challenges, but how do you tell potential dates? Just show a pic? Decline to set them up in the first place?
I don’t think it’s fair to decline – especially since I’ve personally seen women who were moderately chunky up to really heavy (partly genetics in that case), get married. But I don’t know how you might manage expectations. Say something like, “I will do my best to find you someone, and b’H He will send you the right person. I think you’re fantastic and will emphasize [insert genuine point of admiration] to potential dates. That said, I don’t want to get your hopes too high. Unfortunately, it’s a known thing in the dating scene that a fair number of people won’t go on dates with someone with [your problem x ].” ?? I feel like that last bit presenting the problem isn’t smooth enough…
4) I’m trying to interview north american single Jews (especially in their 30s) to find out what they find most challenging about finding the right person. Being 25 myself (I’m married, if you’re wondering), I don’t know that many 30+ people, and asking for references often gets a refusal because people are afraid to insult friends (they don’t want the single friends to feel pitied/looked down upon for being single). Any thoughts, advice or willing volunteers in this regard would be great.
(What I’ve done: spoken to as many friends in my Facebook contacts as possible, some people have been great and referred their friends, I tried Amazon Mechanical Turk since it’s apparently represenatative of the US pop, and maybe a couple other things.)
April 18, 2013 12:47 am at 12:47 am #947247VogueMemberUgh… it took me an eternity to get ten dollars from that website, and now I keep on getting e-mails about taxes… ON TEN DOLLARS!
April 18, 2013 1:05 am at 1:05 am #947248Torah613TorahParticipantNot a shadchan, but will answer anyway.
1- There are lots of dating books. I pretty much read all of them by the time I was 14. They are pretty useless unless you really need a book to tell you to have some self respect and get dressed up for dates.
2- Ask a Rebbetzin.
3 – At least you realize it’s hypocritical. I think the best thing is to try to figure out what each person needs, and which other person can help fill those needs while also getting their needs. Sorry I’m muddled tonight but I hope you get what I’m trying to say.
4) No idea, sorry.
April 18, 2013 1:44 am at 1:44 am #947249rebdonielMemberThere IS someone out there for everyone. A lid for every pot.
Many heavy men will find a heavy woman attractive (and vice versa). Also, there are many people of varied backgrounds out there; I know of a Chassidishe girl (Emunas Yisroel) who married a black ger. I know of many unlikely shidduch stories like this, as well. In my case, I am the BT/giyur le chumra child of a father who was raised very frum, in the Brooklyn Sephardi community, and went off as a young adult, and I am involved with a girl who is a BT whose grandparents are frum and whose father went off after being raised in the Breuer’s kehilla. (In both our cases, we beat the odds, returned to halakhic Judaism, and prevented who knows how many generations of assimilation away from klal yisrael?)
My point is that an open approach will go a long way in shidduchim.
April 21, 2013 8:12 am at 8:12 am #947250mmbagMember@Vogue – sorry to hear you had a bad experience with MTurk
@Torah613 – I meant books about shadchanut. Also, there are some good books on marriage/dating for marriage that I think are useful to infer what you need to match people on. Ex.: I Only Want To Get Married Once by Chana Levitan
2 – Good idea, I should speak to a rebbetzin :).
3- True. I came up with what I think is a solution to this. Reject no one, and after hearing who they are/what they’re looking for, tell each person (regardless if they’re attractive/not, smart/dumb etc), I’m giving them a list of the most popular features. Bc who knows what each person knows, and this way people can become aware of areas where they might improve selves, if not already known. Love to hear your thoughts on this?
4- NO worries, thanks anyways.
@rebdoniel – that was really insightful and I appreciate that advice :). Thanks for sharing it! I agree that an open approach will go a long way.
Something I was thinking about is that it’s key to provide people a core for which they can admire/respect the other person, e.g. given middot. Bc ultimately the biggest predictor of divorce is disrespect in a couple, so conversely the greatest predictor of attraction may be a high degree of mutual respect. Thoughts?
April 21, 2013 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #947251Torah613TorahParticipantmmbag:
Sounds reasonable engouh.
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