July 8, 2015 9:45 am at 9:45 am #615985
I’m going to need to buy a new cell phone, I don’t want to buy one as part of a plan, I’ll just pay up front. My current phone isn’t a smartphone but it’s on it’s way out and it seems like all the new phones are smartphones. Is there any particular brand/model that is simple to filter the internet/apps? I’d like to have sms available but if I can get one without internet capabilities or one that can easily be filtered if it does. If it does have internet capabilities I’d like to be able to have GPS (just a stam one, not needed for a car). Does anyone have any suggestions? (please include relative price if you know it)July 8, 2015 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1091160
Buy a smartphone and control yourself.July 8, 2015 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm #1091161
old man – if that is your standard for distancing yourself from nisyonos then i feel sorry for your grandchildren.July 8, 2015 3:23 pm at 3:23 pm #1091162
We use sprint.
They can remove Internet from your service, on their end. They don’t modify the phone or filter anything. They just remove the Internet service from that phone number. Probably the other providers can do that also.July 8, 2015 3:25 pm at 3:25 pm #1091163
Oh I see you are in Israel. Probably different there.July 8, 2015 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #1091164
Syag, with your hundreds of dapim learned and the hundreds of mussar shmuessen you’ve listened to, and with the daily anti-modernism chizuk you get in yeshiva, and still you cannot own a smartphone without falling off the spiritual cliff, then I feel sorry for you and your entire system.I trust your grandchildren will find a better way.July 8, 2015 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #1091165
Hi feivel – yes I’m in Israel. I had my cell provider turn off the internet for my current phone and since it’s a relatively old phone (7 years) it seems to cut off all internet access, however from what I’m aware most or all smartphones even if you cut off internet from the provider can still access from nearby wireless routers – hence why I’d like to make sure you can filter the phone itself.July 8, 2015 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #1091166zahavasdadParticipant
you cant use waze (GPS) without internetJuly 8, 2015 9:05 pm at 9:05 pm #1091167
Old man, that was quite an ignorant comment, in several ways.July 8, 2015 9:17 pm at 9:17 pm #1091168
ZD, Waze works without a browser.July 8, 2015 9:33 pm at 9:33 pm #1091169
oh ho old man, your racism seems to have gotten the better of you! I never learned a daf in my life, and never went to yeshiva!
I am a WOMAN, middle aged, who grew up modern orthodox. I wore shorts and pants til I was 14, I grew up on tv, movies and trashy novels that have filled my head with things that will never disappear no matter how had I try. I watched R rated movies that have left life long impressions on me. I have three friends who are divorced due to their or their husband’s pornography addictions or online chats with people who promised to give them a better life than their own spouse gave them.
I have a filter on my internet because nobody is immune. I don’t find myself yearning for inappropriate pictures. Neither do my kids, B”H. But when half dressed women with their boyfriends show up as a cover story on the news, even the modernest orthodox find themselves spending a second too long looking at it. I would know, I used to spend a lot of time with such guys when I was that age. And I hate to tell you what they were spending their time on.
I waste my breath answering you because your ears are shut, just venom for the yeshivish, black hat, dude you assumed (knew?) I was.
If you really can find yourself faced with a screen showing two 20 year old girls in bathing suits without taking notice, than maybe I don’t feel sorry for your grandchildren, maybe it’s your wife I should pity.July 8, 2015 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1091170
With iPhones you can block access to the browser by setting a password. You could have a friend enter the password and not tell you.
Or you can get a plan that offers only phone service and no data then wifi hot spots won’t work I think.
What you really should do is call the TAG hotline where actual experts can give you the guidance you need. For free.July 8, 2015 11:03 pm at 11:03 pm #1091171
Feivel, I don’t see how shutting off data through the provider would shut off access through wifi.July 8, 2015 11:08 pm at 11:08 pm #1091172
Assurnet, you can buy an unlocked phone which will work on all GSM networks, and have SMS, for about $20 on Amazon.July 8, 2015 11:42 pm at 11:42 pm #1091173
That’s why I said “I think”July 9, 2015 12:42 am at 12:42 am #1091174👑RebYidd23Participant
You want internet, you don’t want web.July 9, 2015 4:21 am at 4:21 am #1091175
i would love to answer you, except that the moderator would never let it through, and it won’t be the first time. I see though that you suffer from the previous-heavy-smoker-syndrome. You’ve seen the other side, and now the ultimate truth is yours and yours alone. Suffice it to say that I have a close relative who is a therapist in a super-chareidi neighborhood, and I know what goes on. I would never trade places with you, and thank G-d I once resisted an adolescent urge to do just that. I just pity the system that rants, raves, and beats its chest in haughty arrogance, but ultimately has nothing to show for it.July 9, 2015 5:38 am at 5:38 am #1091176
what you are saying makes no sense. If I was spouting chareidi doctrines then you could pretend you are correct. but my point to you was not that I have seen the other side, my point was that I am not who you think I am.
You decided (speaking of assuming ultimate truths) that if I believe unfiltered internet is assur, I must be a flaming chareidi. I was telling you that my belief in the dangers of the internet comes from inside, truth and experience. I don’t spout doctrines just because someone else say to. I tossed my television out when I was modern because I ran a daycare center and saw how it was warping children’s minds. I make my own decisions based on what is right, not what my neighbors are doing.
How sad that you can’t even allow me to be someone with an opinion of my own because you can’t stomach anything that smells “black” to you. How sad for you that you are having a freak out about a system of arrogance because I personally, from my own life experiences have found a filter to be necessary. I have been able to make choices in my home based on what is right and wrong, even though it often runs against the grain of those around me. including my kids teachers. Are you able to do the same or do you need to reject everything that is chareidi in the same way you accuse me of accepting it?
You couldn’t possibly know whether or not you want to trade places with me cuz you havent an inkling where i am even standing. Does my desire for a filter automatically cause you to box me in to a specific place? apparently it does –
Suffice it to say that I have a close relative who is a therapist in a super-chareidi neighborhood, and I know what goes on. I would never trade places with you,
who said anything about chareidi, let alone super chareidi?
Why didn’t you fight me on my belief that phones need filters, why shadowbox the whole yeshivish culture as if it applied to this discussion?
Are you really that stuck in your racism? Are you really that incapable of making decisions for yourself? Wow.July 9, 2015 10:02 am at 10:02 am #1091177RedlegParticipant
Syag, I think Old Man is right and you are wrong. I’m even older than Old Man and my date with the Beis Din shel Ma’alah isn’t that far off. until 120 you will have the same appointment. Then we’ll find out who was right and who was wrong.
To answer your original question, there is a kiosk in Term 1, just past security that sells phones. One time I was on my way overseas and realized that I forgot to take my phone (Told you I was old). I bought a flip phone and SIM card from him for $100. The phone even had capacity for two SIM cards. Just a plain flip phone, no internet, not even email (which was a problem). You might try that.
P.S. Do you really mean racism? aren’t you Jewish like the rest of us? We didn’t even know you’re a woman. Also, You were the one who first responded angrily, not OM.July 9, 2015 10:16 am at 10:16 am #1091178RedlegParticipant
Hey, Old Man! Speaking Previously Heavy Smokers, I was one. I quit 40 years ago and haven’t touched tobacco since, but I’m not bothered by other people smoking. In fact, I’m thinking of taking it up again. What’s it gonna do, kill me in thirty years?July 9, 2015 10:56 am at 10:56 am #1091179YikesauParticipant
Syag all I can is, well said and brilliantly written.July 9, 2015 12:09 pm at 12:09 pm #1091180shkoiach1Participant
you can get an iphone and then in settings, restrict Safari (the default internet browser) and then set “app download restrictions” to restrict downloading any app rated 17+. This will restrict you from downloading any other browsers, as they are all rated 17+.
Then, ask a trusted person (wife, Rav, etc.) to enter a password in the restrictions so that you will not be able to change the restrictions without going through them.
With this method, you can restrict browsing the internet, but can still use apps which need to access the internet, such as GPS.
Hope this helps…July 9, 2015 12:12 pm at 12:12 pm #1091181
Of course Syag is correct. Do old man and Redleg skip the part of davening where we ask Hashem not to bring us to nisayon? If they would learn some of those dapim and mussar, they would know that a key part of avodas Hashem is avoiding temptation.
BTW, judging a community according to a therapist is like getting health statistics by polling hospital patients, or figuring out what percentage of the country are Chicago Cubs fans by taking a survey at Wrigley Field.July 9, 2015 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1091182
Redleg – thank you for resetting the tone. I mean it.
I am not sure what you mean about him being right and me being wrong. Him being right that the yeshiva system stinks? Me being wrong about not wanting half dressed people in my face?
The problem was that we weren’t even talking about the same stuff! I have shared his opinion of “the system” but as someone who lives much further from it than he, I have learned to find a new group of peers and work around it. My visits here often remind me of those behaviors/feelings but it is not right to say that if someone (me) decides we should be careful around pritzus, I must be one of those ‘narrow minded chareidim’. Lehefech, prove yourself as someone who is just as makpid in things that matter even when you aren’t chareidi.
Regarding your post script – I thought about what you said about me responding angrily first. I had thought about it before I posted. Really, you are right, and you are wrong. If you read his short response in relation to his other posts, you will know that it was plenty angry. He had my whole persona nailed because “who else would push for a filter?”
my later comments weren’t about his view of the internet, it was about the assumption that I could ONLY care about such things if I am chareidi. That, to me, is the same garbage that the chareidim throw back at him. (see DY’s comment, case in point, assuming/accusing you two don’t learn gemora or mussar.) I happen to HATE that fighting. I HATE it. I HATE the hamster wheel that they spin on. I would give anything to live in a world where Torah Jews can inspect a halacha for what it is, not for who is “wearing” it, and to stop making sick assumptions about each other based on awful community experiences.
I wish you many long years, Redleg. Thank you for your post. And when you turn 120 and meet HKB”H and see the truth, just know that I will be so jealous of your vision.July 9, 2015 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #1091183
(see DY’s comment, case in point, assuming/accusing you two don’t learn gemora or mussar.)
For no other reason than that the attitude expressed is the antithesis of the Torah viewpoint as expressed in Chazal and baalei mussar.July 9, 2015 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm #1091184
I should also point out that it was meant more rhetorically than literally.July 10, 2015 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1091185
Thanks for the suggestions… I heard a new iphone is supposed to be coming out soon so maybe the older versions will be available for fairly cheap.
I’m sorry this turned into some sort of hashkafa debate. Old Man – with regards to your original comment, I don’t mean to be rude but you have no idea where I come from, my childhood and what I’ve been exposed to in my life (and frankly it’s none of your business). My decisions for what kind of phone I’d like aren’t just because some pashkvil or “gadol” I’ve never heard of said to buy a certain phone – it’s based of my own frank cheshbon hanefesh. For me a filtered phone is “controlling myself.” Even if Rav Ovadia and Rav Eliyashiv were both to tell me an unfiltered phone was perfectly muttar for the klal I still wouldn’t want one because that’s just not where I’m holding. If you are bothered by my personal yetzer haras and how I guard myself from them then why don’t you “Go to the one who made me and tell Him what an ugly vessel He made.”
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.