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Does Klal Yisroel possess the original uncensored versions of all the Gemorah’s that were censored out by the nochrim, over the centuries? What about the other censored Seforim? Where can all the original uncensored Gemorah’s and Seforim be found today? And how pervasive (i.e. how frequent) were the Gemorah’s censored?
Also, wouldn’t the Gemorah’s printed outside of Europe (in the Middle East, Africa, etc.). have escaped any censoring by the Church altogether? Are any of those original copies still extant? And do we have any of the original copies written in Bavel (Iraq) from prior to the 11th Century C.E.?
There is a sefer called chesronas hashas http://www.dhengah.org/torah/chhashas.pdf
The oldest complete set believed not to have been fully censored is the Daniel Bomberg edition (Italian)
The new Shaasim put back what was censored. There are older Shaasim around that weren’t censored, for the reason that you mentioned. There are uncensored versions of many other Seforim, as well. On the other hand, there are Seforim that were burned by that horrific Gezeira that are lost forever. Many other Seforim are lost to house fires, too. We cannot understand such eternal Gezeiros. It is much more than Eitzim Va’avanim.
How can they put it back in and still keep the Vilna Shas daf system – especially if it was a large piece of Gemora removed from one particular daf?
Were the Rashi’s and other meforshim on censored Gemorah’s also removed when they were censored (and later restored)?
Which horrific gezeira are you referring to that Seforim were burnt and lost forever in?
Rashi and Tosafos were also cencored.
It looks like the Vilna Shaas itself was edited after the layout, unless they purposefully made it look that way. Where there are large portions taken out the Blatt has more room on bottom. It is not such a big deal to stick in a couple of lines into the layout. You adjust the letter and word spacing.
In France, in the time of the Rishonim they burned cartloads of Sefarim. It is called the Gezeira of Vav Chukas.
Probably the French burning of seforim r’l.
I have heard that a museum in Iraq claims to have an original
copy of talmud bavli. I don’t think it is available for examination and may not even be on display.
I have no more information about this.
About 7 or 8 years ago, U.S. troops in Iraq found a approx. 900 year old copy of a set of Shas in the flooded basement of an Iraqi police station. It was flooded from the war damage. They eventually brought it to the U.S. to dry and restore. They agreed to return it to the Iraqis once restored, though I don’t know if it was returned.
The story was covered by the U.S. media, including nunerous articles in the N.Y. Times.
More significantly:- What about the missing Messechtos? both by Yerushalmi & Bavli.
It is commonly believed that once upon a time, all 63 Messetos had Gemoro on them, both Yerushallmi & Bavli, and somehow these missing Messechtos are still extant & sitting in the vatican library, but the catholics shall not allow us access to the lbratruy to access our missing Messechtos.
Rashi wrote his peirush at least three times that were all lost (in his lifetime). Only his last compilation survived. Though he didn’t complete the meforesh on all the Gemoras during his last compilation.
147, that applies to Yerushalmi but not Bavli. I think the Me’iri in his Hakdama to Avos explains that prefernce was given to the ‘Yeshivish Masechtos’ even in those days.
If you’ll notice the Gemara seems to easilly go off on a tangent when it comes to Taharos Sugyos. Since there was no Gemara set up for those Mishnayos they always jumped on the opportunity to stick it in wherever they could.
Rashi wasn’t “in” the Gemorah the way it is today until the first printed edition in Italy
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