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I’m above replying to you. It’s a waste of my time.
To Lostspark
Sorry to burst your bubble but I, for one, am not a Litvak. I’m a Galitziyaner Chossid, great einekel of Rav Meir Premishlan. Of course, I don’t follow Chassidic mores and neither did my father. What we see from this thread is that all rational G-d-fearing Jews are against Chabad.
To the real Jews in this thread
Lostspark is above responding to my question. Translation, he’s been checkmated. I don’t speak or write Loshon Hora. And Benedict ARSo can add to his list of aveiros in accepting slander directed against me. The fact that people go to such extremes to demonize me is further proof of how effective I am as a writer. Thank you, Benedict. Oh, my mistake you don’t read my posts. LOL
ARSo: Yeah, I guess death threats are allowed here now. I think the CR can now boast the best freedom of speech on the entire internet.
“To Minuval
You must be beautiful”Thank you!
“Last year someone in Menachem Shmei’s thread wrote that all Lubavichers agreed that Moshiach can’t come from the dead, but they did a 180 on Gimmel Tammuz. I confirmed this with one of my Chabad friends.”
So… you’re more okay with Chabad Meshichists than you were with stam Chabad before gimmel Tammuz? The whole point of the “they made a 180” argument is that show that even l’shitaso they didn’t really think Moshiach can come from the dead and made that up as a rationalization. It’s not to suggest they defined Moshiach problematically before. The whole point is that they weren’t a problem before meshichism.
“As for your quoting “Qwerty 613” do you not understand that this is an impostor?”
OK, I will admit that I didn’t notice that, but surely you realize that sounds just like the type of thing you would say. He’s a convincing impostor for a reason.
“Then again the Vilna Gaon said that the simplest answer is the truth, “You’re a moron in addition to being a sleaze bag.””
Ha, I really have no response to this; I just think it’s funny that you put the last part in quotes after the comma as if the Vilna Gaon actually said, “you’re a moron in addition to being a sleaze bag.”
“I, for one, am not a Litvak. I’m a Galitziyaner Chossid”
Oh, please no… Can we have a moratorium on everyone claiming to be Chassidish?@Arso
@Neville
@lostsparkIs it true that there are 2 different Qwerty’s on this thread ?
the following was posted under the name of Qwerty, on November 7 :
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I think all of you just 🤣crazy to talk about Chabad,try to be beasy with mitzvot instead so much avarot.אתם בטח כולכם אוכלי חינם,לכו לעבוד במקום לנצל את הממשלה שלכם או את ישיבות שלכם ,כולכם שקרנים וגנבים,תשתפו את הפיות שלכם לפני שמדברים על חבד,תתביישו לכם ותלכו לעזאזל בעזרת השם.תלכו למות עוד הלילה.
————–Is that the same qwerty of “checkmate fame” ?
Or a different one ?
.yankel berel: Is it true that there are 2 different Qwerty’s on this thread ?
I knew qwerty was out of his mind, but I didn’t realize he was schizophrenic!
To Benedict ARSo
For someone who claims to be “a high-level Talmud teacher” you don’t know basic 3rd grade Halacha. There’s a Din of judging frum Jews L’kaf Zchus, but you read yankel berel’s citation of”Qwerty” and decided that I’m schizophrenic. You know full well that my Hebrew literacy is almost non-existent so how could you think I wrote that post? Chazal teach that hatred is akin to idolatry. You hate me so much that you’d believe anything negative said about me. What a Rosho you are. And you still haven’t explained why that yeshiva kicked you out on your ARSo.
@arso
I expected a serious answer …To the group
The Gaon succinctly said, “The simple answer is the truth.” Obviously, I didn’t write those quotes. That some in this thread want to believe otherwise indicates their antipathy for me. We should be focused on the real issue, to wit is Chabad a valid expression of Judaism, and not on trying to expose me as a lunatic.
To yankel berel
Don’t you realize that Benedict ARSo is beyond salvation? You probably have a history with him and he may have been a Mench once, but he’s way beyond the pale now. Nebach. I don’t need him to ask me for Mechilah. He needs to leave me alone and keep his stupid mouth shut.
yankel berel: I expected a serious answer …
They only question in the post of yours that I addressed was whether there were two qwertys. As I have writting a number of time, I don’t read anything that qwerty writes, so I have no idea.
“The Gaon succinctly said, “The simple answer is the truth.””
I’m guessing this is either a misquote or super out of context. We don’t always go like the most pashut explanation on everything, nor would the Gaon suggest that we should.
To Benedict ARSo
You don’t read my posts but you decided that I’m schizophrenic. So now you claim to have Nevuah. I guess you have a lot of time on your hands now that you’re an unemployed bum.
To the group
Benedict ARSo wrote in his last post, “As I have writing a number of time”. So again he claims to have been a high-level Talmud teacher. What yeshiva would hire a functional illiterate?
“What yeshiva would hire a functional illiterate?”
Nearly every Chareidi Yeshiva on the planet, but that’s another discussion. He made a typo. Are you really so desperate that you’re having to use typos as your argument now?To Neville
Sorry that’s not a typo. That’s a deranged individual who’s so full of hate that he can’t think of write straight. I know he’s capable of properly expressing himself but his anger won’t allow it. The truth is that he’s angry at himself. He started attacking me in September for no reason stating that I was arrogant. He doesn’t need to apologize. If he just leaves me alone I’ll never say another word about him. In August Coffee addict started up with me. We went back and forth for about a week. He stopped and that was it. I actually dropped the Minuval this time because you finally learned to address a comment to me rather than write about me as if I don’t exist.“Sorry that’s not a typo. That’s a deranged individual who’s so full of hate that he can’t think of write straight.”
I think we’ve found the Qwerty Quote of the Year: “can’t think of write straight.”
How eloquent, truly befitting of a veteran Jewish Press colomnist.על זה אומרים: כל הפוסל, במומו פוסל
To Menachem Shmei
Welcome back Menachem. I miss you. Frankly it’s dull without you. Maybe I’m missing something but what’s wrong with what I wrote? Oh that I wrote of instead of or. That’s a typo like you spelling columnist wrong. And sorry that was no typo by ARSO. I know the difference. BTW I’m not a Jewish Press columnist nor have I ever been. I’ve been a contributor since I graduated dental school forty years ago. An occasional column, but mostly letters. For the last few years I haven’t been in there very often And that’s by my choice. I’m friends with the editor and owner of the publication. so I can get in as much as I want. I like to set the record straight. Unlike Lubavitchers Lower East Siders follow Rav Moshe and so we don’t lie.
Oh that I wrote of instead of or. That’s a typo like you spelling columnist wrong.
I completely agree, it’s ridiculous to attack someone for a typo.
[Good thing I wasn’t the one who had just called someone a “functional illeterate” for missing a letter, or who had written “That’s a deranged individual who’s so full of hate that he can’t think of write straight.”]
To Menachem Shmei
I’m amazed that you continue lying to my face. When you got a letter wrong in columnist and I wrote of instead of or that’s a typo, But he bolloxed an entire sentence. You know full well that’s not the same thing. It’s quite clear that he’s become unhinged. But I admire how you and the Minuval try to stick up for the worthless traitor.
Bs”d
Could we stop the vitriol and get back to the main point of this thread? I have looked thru’ this whole thread from the beginning, and in the last comments
I couldn’t read the main protaganist, who will remain nameless, b/c he stooped to terrible language.
So, to get back to the point of this thread, I would like to say that , to me, it is irrelevant whether Yaacov Ovenu was really alive or not, and also
the physical status of RabbiYehudah HaNasi when making Kiddish for his family . The question is: why equate the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt”l with these lofty individuals?
This is the essence of the matter.
Most Lubavitchers seem to believe that the Rebbe was on the level to be equated with Yaacov Ovenu, and that is why they use Rashi’s commentary to support their claim that he still qualifies to be Moshiach. This is matter for each person to decide; either view could be correct. But wasting so much
time etc., in discussing the issue of Rashi’s view etc., is not dealing with the issue at hand.To Yashandik
Very well said. The last few weeks have been a waste of time as a number of individuals try to “prove” that I’m insane. You’re right. The only issue that matters is whether Chabad is a valid form of Judaism or Christianity and the answer is obvious.
Bs”d
An explanation that someone gave me about this issue is as follows:
In general , Lubavitchers hold that their derech is the closest to Hashem’s wishes that His Shechinah should dwell in the lowest worlds . That is why they learn Chabad Chassidus, in order to bring down G-dly concepts into the human mind. Other groups do not bring down these concepts into their understanding, but Lubavitch holds that this is essential. This is why Lubavitch believe their derech is superior, b/c what they believe is essential, others are not doing. Therefore they hold that their leader must be the Nosi HaDor. The reason why the other groups don’t hold that their derech is superior like Lubavitch does, is b/c, even according to their derochim , everyone is doing everything that needs to be done. Just they may not agree with the way they do it. According to Chabad, only they are doing this essential thing, and that’s why they believe their derech is superior
.“I couldn’t read the main protaganist, who will remain nameless, b/c he stooped to terrible language.”
Then maybe consider the possibility that he isn’t the “protagonist?”“to me, it is irrelevant whether Yaacov Ovenu was really alive or not”
Agreed. All of us taking the traditional, literal approach don’t really care. It’s a hypothetical, lomdus thing to us. The people going berserk over that argument are the ones insisting that it’s symbolic and that all the meforshim who say it’s literal secretly mean the opposite of what they actually say.Yashardik, you are so right. The reason I argued so much about “Yaacov lo meis” is because Lubavitche think their rebbe has the same status as extraordinary human beings like Yaacov Avinu and Moshe Rabbeinu and always try to draw parallels between them and their rebbe so that they can “prove” that he’s alive, that he’s moshiach, that he runs the world…
A Lubavitche told me on another site that just like Moshe Rabbeinu ran the world, so does the LR run the world… which is of course absolutely apikorses, only Hashem runs the world from the moment He created it.
But indeed, the Yaacov lo mes argument is besides the point. The main issue is the unrealistic image Lubavitchers have of their rebbe which is just getting more bizarre as time goes on in their attempts to deitify him.
To Yashardik
As I’ve mentioned in this and other threads, I have extensive dealings with Chabad so I can elaborate on your latest post. Yes, Chabad believes that their Limud Torah is better than all other forms of Limmud. And they believe that their form of Davening is better than all other forms of Davening. I could go on. The point is that Chabad believes that it’s the “Master Race of Judaism” an idea that the Rebbe took from a certain Austrian. This may not sit well with some, but it’s the truth. In 1978 someone asked Rabbi Miller(this question was printed in the FJJ) why Chabad thinks it’s better than all other forms of Judaism and he answered, “Every group should think it’s superior.” I’m proud to be a Lower East Sider but I don’t consider our brand of Judaism better than anyone else’s, and I’m certain that no other group thinks what Chabad openly espouses. That was a push-off answer by Rabbi Miller who always did that when people challenged his endorsement of Chabad.. What’s interesting is that this concept was in Chabad many years before this Moshiach insanity began as we see from the date of the question.
@yashardik
Habad holds themselves superior to the Malachim too, even though they also learn and know hasidut.
There is NO ONE in habad who reckon the rebbi of the Malachim to be a ‘disappeared’ Mashiach , who will ‘reappear’ any moment.
Nor are they prepared to use him as an intermediary [al’p] to HKBH.
No matter the amount of hasidut he might have learnt and known in his lifetime ….Neither is R Aron of Strashelle z’l a candidate. Notwithstanding him reputedly being a goan mamash in hasidut.
So learning hasidut is not the issue at all.Rather this is very simple. That role is RESERVED already.
There is one God, one Torah and lehavdil elef alfei havdalot only ONE rebbe.
Although in habad the order of this last statement probably is the opposite …..
And all of us , you and me included are [allegedly] created for one purpose only – to be mekabel ol malhuto of their rebbi alenu . That is our and the whole worlds tahlit habri’ah .
Whether we or the world do or do not know it [yet] is irrelevant.
That and only that is the reason why habad considers itself superior to all of us.
yashardik, welcome to the fray. Just a word of warning, don’t ever say anything that could even be construed as agreeing to the most innocent statement made by a Lubavicher on this thread – even agreeing to the state of the weather – or you will cause vitriol to be poured on your head!
The question is: why equate the Lubavitcher Rebbe zt”l with these lofty individuals?
This is the essence of the matter.As I have written a number of times on other threads here, that is a minor part of the problem. It is not equating the LR to Yaakov Avinu and Moshe Rabbeinu, it is also twisting and deliberately distorting maamarei Chazal and Rishonim to suit their agenda. For example, in Sanhedrin 98b it says that Mashiach can be someone who died (which, again as I have illustrated numerous time, can ONLY be referring to Daniel Ish Chamudos) therefore it’s ok to say that the LR will be Mashiach.
Another example, the Rambam says that Mashiach יכוף – will coerce – all Yidden to keep the Torah, but that doesn’t actually mean coerce, it means convince/encourage, which is what the LR was doing.
to me, it is irrelevant whether Yaacov Ovenu was really alive or not
It’s true that it’s irrelevant to the original/main topic of this thread, but it is still important to weed out those who have the need to interpret meforshim to fit in with their own mindset, as that, in essence, is along the same lines as the aforementioned Lubavichers.
To yashardik
I want to congratulate you. You singlehandedly brought this thread back to life. You had the same effect as Philosopher when she joined several months ago and posted the Cunin video. Yasher Koach.
@Yashardik
They are USING hasidut and everything else to impose their rebbi on the world.Not the other way around.
It is obvious to anyone who observes them from close.
If their rebbi would tell them to stop hasidut learning.
Do you have a have amine that would not listen to him ?
For sure they would not.
So what is their goal ?
their rebbi or hasidut?Clearly it is their leader …..
“Yashardik, you are so right. The reason I argued so much about “Yaacov lo meis” is because Lubavitche…”
Absolute nonsense. 100% of the posters you were arguing with on that topic were non-Lubavitchers. Don’t try to spin it like you don’t actually care about that subject except for when Lubavitchers use it. You are obsessed with that subject to the point to interpreting every pirush to agree with your personal belief on it.
If you want to know what it looks like to “not care” about that topic, then look at those of us to casually accept the standard Orthodox presentation of it without question because we have better things to learn than midrashim that aren’t nogeia to anything.
To ARSo
Right, you were attacked for saying that the weather in CH is pleasant. Let’s tell the truth. You showed up on this thread on or about Sept 1st with two valid challenges to Chabad. Menachem Shmei told you how wonderful you were and said that he completely agrees with what you wrote. You bought his malarkey and then pledged your allegiance to him so that when the subject of Yaakov Lo Meis came up you stated that you concur with Shmei that this Chazal should be accepted literally. When you were asked to name a non-Chabad Rabbi who agrees with this interpretation, you refused arguing that you’re too big a scholar to ask anyone else. At the end of the discussion, you did a 180 and said that you don’t actually believe that Yaakov is still literally alive. It’s for this and other reasons that you are reviled in this thread. So keep lying to yourself that everyone else is to blame. No one except the serpent Shmei will agree with you and he’s just using you as a weapon against me. What a hopeless fool you are.
To the group
The Minuval lies again. “One hundred percent of the posters you were arguing on that topic were non-, Lubavitchers. The only non- Lubavicher was Benedict ARSo and he ultimately changed his position. When Benedict was challenged he said that he accepted Menachem Shmei’s view. You’re such a a despicable liar like when you had the temerity to say that no one ever insulted me. You should convert to Chabadianity. You’ve got the lying down pat.
Neville, I feel bad for your family members… you enjoy squabling constantly with people who don’t agree with your opinions.
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