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So what do we think of this one? Are there any new insights into who might have done it? It pains me to think it may never be solved.
Maybe had the police and co not done the investigation with such a heavy bias that it was someone in the Yeshiva who did it they would have found the actual murderer. I remember when it happened and I know many people who were learning in Long Beach at the time. Not a single one of them believes that had it been someone affiliated with the Yeshiva he could have avoided arrest by now. The amount of effort the police made to find him was just too much to avoid even a suspicion. They also all say that the online discussions of the story all heavily bend the truth and details in order to point suspicion at someone in the Yeshiva.
Why the new interest now? Were there any new developments or did you just read some online forum trying to convince you it was someone in the Yeshiva?
Appears to have been a cover up by the Hanhalah of the Yeshiva at the time. They refused to cooperate with the investigation.
There are many crime/ mystery aficionados around the world fascinated by this unsolved murder.
It is bone chilling to think about this unsolved brutal murder of this sweet bochur.
The consensus is someone in that building knows something. Someone is carrying a secret out there…..A person who attended the levaya said he still wakes up in the dead of night from the anguish he heard there… 30 + years later.
Enough already! Whoever is carrying the information needs to speak up and bring the closure
The janitor let his local accomplice in.
@ Koifer Bikur I really dislike the name you chose; Dark humor also has its limits.
However, yes; I heard that from people that were in yeshiva at the time. Some even say they know who it was. I won’t say details because they are far from verified, but it’s not as “unsolved” as you think it is.
Methinks that taztza, Koifer and 17Balfor are all the same troll
>>>I heard that from people that were in yeshiva at the time. Some even say they know who it was.
If they KNOW who it was why don’t they say so to people other than anonymous online posters? And don’t give me this coverup excuse. No one engaged in a coverup in such a high profile case is telling people who would broadcast it online that they are complicit in it. Why don’t you try to convince them to talk? Did a Rav tell you that you can’t help get a murderer handed over to the police? Which one?
It’s highly likely it was someone on the inside. Shame on everyone obstructing justice for Chaim! His parents deserve to know what happened to their son. The killer deserves to face justice. Every day this goes by unsolved is a big chillul HaShem!!
@17balfour what do you mean he wakes up in the dead of night from the anguish he heard there? I thought no one heard anything
>>>It’s going to be shoved in your face every now and then until it’s solved and there’s nothing you can do about it.
Are you threating me here? I tried to stop anyone from discussing it? I asked a question of why it is being mentioned out of the blue (by someone who just started a new account) . Is my suspicion that you just read some online forum trying to convince you , or at least heavily biased in the direction, that someone inside the Yeshiva did it correct? Yes or no?
From my perspective, the reason the online world loves claiming and then rehashing the claim it was done by someone in the Yeshiva is because the online world loves blood libels against frum people. Even better if it against a Yeshiva. Here is a great chance to perpetuate one.
>>>Even the FBI got involved and made a psychological profile of the killer who they said is “someone who knew him well”
So what? Had the FBI actually cracked the case going with that assumption that would be something. Being that in the world of reality they assigned over 25 detectives to the case, closed the entire dormitory where it took place for over a year (Which according to the them was both the crime scene and the residence of the murderer) repeatedly interviewed the murderer , (according to their belief of who it was)repeatedly reopened the case and still couldn’t come up with a single after the fact clue, I’m not impressed in the slightest with a theory of theirs. Neither should you , if you believe they are such total incompetents that despite all the evidence they had, they still couldn’t narrow it down between less than 150 people who they had easy access to and spoke to repeatedly. Yes, I know they claim no one wanted to talk. If people talked freely to the police, you wouldn’t need detectives to begin with. Their job is to get info from people who don’t cooperate. Not people who do. No one was charged with obstruction of justice (hampering an investigation ) But the police “know” that there is a coverup.
Why was the maintenance worker not questioned again?
I don’t agree or disagree with anything post here, you pointing out that all the posters beisdes UJM or Shemerel either never posted or posted 1 or 2 trollish comments, if it quacks like a duck its a duck, you don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.
Aside from the fact that the high likelihood was that the crime was committed by an intruder into the building, hypothetically if a Yid (including any who dormed there at the time it occurred) had a “hunch” or assumption or theory or suspicion, he would be prohibited to share it with any nochri or authority due to mesira. Especially as there’s no ongoing threat to safety.
tzatza > Extensive resources were deployed precisely because these normal investigative shortcuts (community tips, suspicious person reports, motive theories from witnesses) were unavailable due to religious prohibition of pointing the finger at someone without proof.
I would think that assisting police is not precluded by laws of lashon hara. American police does not have to follow beis din evidence rules, and modern ability to collect and fuse evidence from multiple sources is something that gemora did not look at. I heard from a rav that he was called to testify against some other yidden and he asked for a psak and was told to fully answer police questions.
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