August 16, 2010 8:34 pm at 8:34 pm #592171artchillParticipant
Just had a chance to read the Mishpacha magazine.
Curious to hear what my fellow Coffee Room participants think about the serial CHARADES in the Family First section.August 17, 2010 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #755983boredstiffParticipant
Care to give a summary?August 18, 2010 5:13 pm at 5:13 pm #755984live4HashemMember
be careful not so say lashon hara!August 19, 2010 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #755985
I am really enjoying it! I told my husband after this week’s chapter how amazing it is that you never know what is going on by the next person. Pple live the most seemingly perfect lives.September 14, 2010 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #755986
I read chapter 7 and 8. I like the way she has the personalities of each family member so vivid (in fact, I can see some of each in my own family). Its a story about the drama of frum living, busy with work, school, errands, working spouses, ect.
But what I do not like, is the way the writer links every issue to some dark secret in the persons past which is the true cause for the way they are reacting to a given challenge. Can’t sit down to a meal if the salad fork is on the wrong side? Its because you were traumatized as a child. Afraid to develope a relationship with your sister-in-laws? Its because you were not picked for the lead role in the school play.
I’m not saying the salad fork and school play was not important. But to suggest that the frum audience (presumably the one this series is bening written for) is that fragile? C’mon.
All in all, a nice series, with real characters. But ease off on the phsyco-babbleSeptember 14, 2010 1:50 pm at 1:50 pm #755987aries2756Participant
BP, I haven’t read the article, but the whole basis for the series is the “charades” people play and the dark secrets they live with that form and shape them into who they have become. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors and the face people show you, may not always be a reflection of what they feel inside.
Many people say “oh he or she is such a nice person” but that may be very true on the outside. They may be very nice to others but not very nice to their spouse and children. So people do play charades all the time and that is what the series is about.September 14, 2010 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #755988tzippiMember
To BP Totty: in most works of fiction, whether written, on screen (think soap operas) etc. you won’t have random wrong numbers. There’s only so much time and space, so everything tends to be wrought with meaning and contribute to the plot.September 14, 2010 2:35 pm at 2:35 pm #755989
I see your point. Its just that lately there seems to be a flood of this concept that nothing is your fault, because you were traumatized and you can’t be blamed because its not your fault.
It minimizes the hurt of people who have really been hurt to see this prsented as fiction. Of course there is traumatic damage to surviors. But to bandy it around like its seaonal allergies?September 14, 2010 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #755990
It’s a very well written story. Riva Pomerantz is a great writer & it’s an interesting story. I hope that they don’t cut it off midway, like they did with her last one….September 14, 2010 4:06 pm at 4:06 pm #755991artchillParticipant
It depends on how far she portrays the CLEARLY ABUSIVE husband. If he shoves her or does something kookoo, you can pretty much guarantee that the story will be given the kabosh!September 14, 2010 4:46 pm at 4:46 pm #755992
artchill – it’s already borderline, he blocked the door… You think it’s going to get worse??September 14, 2010 6:12 pm at 6:12 pm #755993
Yeah, I agree with Art (see Art, we agree on some things!) Blocking the doorway with the menace he had in his voice is beyond joking around. That would make me very nervous. I’m sure this passed the editors, but still, its not the way bnei torah speak.September 15, 2010 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #755994
any updates?? I didn’t read today’s Mishpacha yet… thanks!September 15, 2010 6:01 pm at 6:01 pm #755995
Yes.. Riva P checks the CR and sees her character is seen as too scary, and does a quick re-write! (yeah, sure)September 15, 2010 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #755996
how do you know i’m not riva pomerantz??September 15, 2010 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #755997
emoticon613 – if you are riva pomerantz, please try to get Motty into therapy…
BP Totty – you’d be surprised who reads the YWN coffee room…September 15, 2010 6:25 pm at 6:25 pm #755998philosopherParticipant
BP Totty, I totaly agree with your post. Everything is blamed ones childhood. Interesting that I turned out different than my parents. That seems to be going against the law of the 21st century psychology.
Otherwise, I really like the story. It is written exteremely well.September 15, 2010 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #755999
🙂 😉September 16, 2010 1:16 am at 1:16 am #756000tomim tihyeMember
emoticon, I know you’re not bec she’s my friendSeptember 16, 2010 8:33 am at 8:33 am #756001
and i thought i was playing a good game of charades!
she’s your friend? great so pass on the message – get motty into therapy somehow!September 16, 2010 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #756002tomim tihyeMember
he ain’t gonna change, that’s for sure!
(not that i know who motty is- i’m not such a good friend after all- i haven’t read any of her books although knowing her i’m sure they’re amazing; i’m just not into novels.September 16, 2010 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #756003
Well, this week he’s showing similar scary signs – both in the office & by showing up & suddenly interupting his wife at work. He clearly has major issues. So, the saga continues… stay tuned…September 16, 2010 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #756004
Does Riva know you’re Tomim of the CR, or is that kept off the table? And how would you know for sure that Riva isnt emoticon?
And yes, Lakewood, I’m dreadfully aware that folks I would never suspect of being CR dwellers are quite possibly by next door neighbor, or own family member and are laughing thier heads off knowing that they have me nailed, and I’m totaly clueless.
We even had a thread awhile back on the lines of “what if you were discovered?” It gave me goosebumps.. (or at least 3 seconds, and then I went right back to posting away!September 16, 2010 5:32 pm at 5:32 pm #756005
And is motty the nutty husband in the series? If so, I have a better idea…November 11, 2010 1:47 am at 1:47 am #756006
The story is getting exciting. Motty is still missing, they found his empty car…November 11, 2010 3:49 am at 3:49 am #756007dunnoMember
Slightly off topic but what was the ending of Shattered Glass? I only saw the following issue where tons of people wrote in that such an ending didn’t belong in a Jewish publication.November 12, 2010 8:06 am at 8:06 am #756008d aMember
I read a few of Riva’s books. They are very good. Is this story going to be published? I don’t like reading ongoing stories from magazines. I like books…November 18, 2010 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #756009
Thp plot thickens… The story is getting spookier…. he is still missing & the police don’t find signs of foul play… They think he may have run away….November 18, 2010 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #756010memoMember
my prediction is that he ran away and it has something to do with the big party that he was a part of…or something to do with his fathers last minute phone call about it has to be perfect…. just my guessNovember 18, 2010 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #756011
dont tell me he in the hospital…November 19, 2010 3:07 pm at 3:07 pm #756012popa_bar_abbaParticipant
I want to register a protest to the posters who are clearly reading the mishpacha before shabbos. I think that is almost chillul shabbos. (If there are any parts you think are assur to read on shabbos, I would say you should read them on motzaei shabbos, or if you are a man, on friday afternoon after plag.)November 21, 2010 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #756013
popa_bar_abba – it might be muttar to just read Charades before Shabbos, if it’ll shterr your oneg Shabbos going into Shabbos not knowing what’s doing with Motty…November 21, 2010 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #756014
Nu.. what do u suspect is doing with Motty?November 21, 2010 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #756015deiyezoogerMember
My geuss: The writer hasn’t decided yet where Motty is.November 22, 2010 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #756016The Rabbi RocksMember
She’s trying to drag it out for as many chapters as possibleNovember 23, 2010 12:53 am at 12:53 am #756017WiseWomanMember
i hate when they do that. i think he got involved with the mafia who was that chef at the party…im glad hes out of the picture now. she does not need a husband like him…hes mean!November 23, 2010 2:12 am at 2:12 am #756018deiyezoogerMember
He will be back soon.November 23, 2010 2:56 am at 2:56 am #756019The Rabbi RocksMember
wisewoman: thats kinda the point of the story…December 9, 2010 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #756020
Looks like Motty is really out of the picture…December 9, 2010 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm #756021popa_bar_abbaParticipant
SHABBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!December 9, 2010 6:56 pm at 6:56 pm #756022
Relax Poppa, its not like someone’s carrying the mag (only a BPer would get the joke)December 9, 2010 6:59 pm at 6:59 pm #756023
Oh, and I don’t see this story ever going the mafia (or the other reason men fly the coop)route.
Motty decided to fly over to EY for a Yarchei Kallah, and he’s so “arainn’getune” in the sugya, he forgot to call home!
C’mon people, we’re talkin’ Riva Pomerantz here.. not Robert B Parker.December 12, 2010 12:23 am at 12:23 am #756024memoMember
ya she’s keeping us in suspense, but now it’s getting better the end of this weeks the kids seem relieved their dads gone! very sad but he’s horrible– i don’t blame themApril 5, 2011 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm #756025uniqueMember
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