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  • #1043941

    Abe Cohen
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    How does a non-Litvak become Litvish? Start pronouncing things like “Teyreh”? Get a Lithuanian passport?

    #1043942

    Yaffo80: Chasidim have a tradition of turning Litvaks into Chasidim, w/o feeling any remorse for the anguish they bring on the Litvak’s family.

    #1043943

    shlishi
    Member

    LMA, I know of no such tradition.

    #1043944

    Shilishi: Go review Chasidish history. How do you think a majority of Eastern European Jewry turned Chasidish?

    #1043945

    shlishi
    Member

    I don’t know what happened 200 years ago, but in the last 100 years what you said certainly hasn’t applied. (And even before that there was no recruitment of frum Litvaks.)

    #1043946

    There was mass recruitment 200 years ago. And even today Chabad actively recruites Litvish Yeshiva boys.

    #1043947

    shlishi
    Member

    Hundreds of years ago there was recruitment of the OTD to become frum via Chasidus. There was no recruitment of the already frum to become Chasidish. That being said, many frum people became Chasidush on their own volition, without having been recruited.

    (As far as Lubavitch today I don’t know, but I am speaking of mainstream Chasidus anyways.)

    #1043948

    Shilishi: Are you Chasidish? There was very few OTD back then. The vast majority of Eastern Europian Jewry were Frum Litvish before the Chasidish movement sweeped through Eastern Europe. Yes, many Litvish families became Chasidim on their own initative; but there were many who were recruited. Do you know the story of R’Leibele Eiger?

    #1043949

    metrodriver
    Member

    shlishi; There were native Chasidic dynasties in the “Lite” (Litte). Of which there are very few left today. Such as “Kaidenov”, Slonim and Lechovitch. Today, however. As people of different groups live close to each other, the distinctions are slowly getting blurred. And the old rivalries being forgotten. Sadly, though, (Maybe, it should not be mentioned in the 9 days.) some people on the “Misnagdish” side, still retain a form of prejudice against “Chassidim”. (That’s my personal observation. MD.)

    #1043950

    shlishi
    Member

    No, I’m not. But what does that have to do with anything. Are you a non-Chasid? Then you are no more qualified to comment than a Chasid. And most of Eastern Europe was not “Litvish” before Chasidus came around. If you want to say they were more like “Oberlander” we can talk, but they certainly weren’t “Litvish”. And they weren’t recruited. Yes, I know. R’ Leibele Eiger didn’t become Chasidush due to any recruitment.

    #1043951

    IshPashut
    Member

    Being a chossid isn’t about what minhagim you keep or how you dress. Sadly in this day and age there are many who think being a chossid is their appearance and they put a lot of work into such. Meanwhile puting down others not as strict or who dress differently than them. Perhaps the same divide that existed between the scholars and simple people in Europe is the divide between levels of religious observance and perception of religious observance today? While there may be benefits to these minhagim and these modes of dress they do not actually express chassidus at all. Chassidus is something which must be learned and absorbed into ones character traits. Chassidus is taking the teachings from the Rebbe and like the baal shem tov who wrote in the letter we have from him… yafutzu m’yanois chutza which will bring moshiach. So to answer your question as to how will their children turn out? That depends on the parents decision as to what type of education they will receive and upon the child as he/she grows older as to how they will liver their life

    #1043952

    mazel tov:)

    #1043953

    I’m litvish hand wanna marry/become chasidish

    #1043954

    i dont wanna b chasidih im yeshivish enough:)

    #1043955

    ivory
    Member

    What makes you litvish? Why do you wanna be chasidish?

    #1043956

    Randomex
    Member

    wannabechasidish:

    I thought of you when I saw the title…

    #1043957

    voos epes
    Member

    @wannabechassidish be my guest

    #1043958

    Randomex
    Member

    voos epes:

    So you’ll shave for her, if she is able to tolerate you?

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/1-on-your-shidduch-list/page/2#post-542166

    (Or maybe you’re clean-shaven already?)

    #1043959

    i said i dont wanna b chasidish lol

    #1043960

    ivory
    Member

    We weren’t talking to you

    #1043961

    voos epes
    Member

    I’m not clean clean shaven no but i didn’t mean me specifically

    #1043962

    voos epes
    Member

    I didn’t mean me spefically I just meant it in a welcoming way

    #1043963

    ivory
    Member

    He’s the welcome wagon for chasidish nk

    #1043964

    voos epes
    Member

    Exactly

    #1043965

    voos epes
    Member

    One question why would a lady want to become chassidish?

    #1043966

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    BOne answer because she wants to be chassidish and to be chassidish one must become chassidish.

    #1043967

    voos epes
    Member

    For men it’s good for women I don’t really know

    #1043968

    tzviki16
    Member

    chassidus is nice for everyone. you don’t have to be chassidish to gain from chassidus.

    #1043969

    i like a lot of things about chassidish, but also i dont like some things, like men not being able to shave for example.

    #1043970

    voos epes
    Member

    That’s true

    #1043971

    i agree men should be able to shave and not have to shave their whole head off i was becoming chasidish and starting to do everything chasidish and wanted to marry a chasidish guy and guess where that led me to almost going otd so i think ill be yeshivish for right now:) and listening to not jewish music is okay for me because of i dont want to become overly frum and almost go otd so no thanks

    #1043972

    voos epes
    Member

    You can always marry one of the new modern chassidim from boro park that barely have any beard

    #1043973

    voos epes – no thank you i think ill stick the yeshivish people

    #1043974

    voos epes
    Member

    What does becoming chassidish have to do with you going otd?

    #1043975

    it was too frum for me

    #1043976

    voos epes
    Member

    No such a thing as to frum

    #1043977

    well for me their is and for many others there is as well

    #1043978

    voos epes
    Member

    To each there own

    #1043979

    yep:)

    #1043980

    voos epes
    Member

    We agree on one point at least

    #1043981

    theprof1
    Participant

    I have 2 sons who are full clothed chasidim. My family is chasidish on all sides. Both these sons married Litvish family girls. BH the girls took on our chasidish minhagim because that’s the halacha.

    #1043982

    voos epes
    Member

    That’s nice

    #1043983

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    I too wouldn’t mind marrying chassidish…

    #1043985

    Letakein Girl
    Participant

    LFS:

    Brief Grammar lesson-

    “They’re” is used as a shorter version of “they are.”

    “Their” is used when talking about something they own are something like that.

    For example:

    They’re obviously bored! They’re tapping their feet, curling their peyos, and their eyes are roaming through the room.

    (Lol that last part about their eyes roaming brought to mind an image of a pair of eyeballs strolling throughout the room.)

    #1043986

    Excellence
    Participant

    This topic question doesn’t make sense.

    Ashkanazi, sephardi, chabad — same ocean, different boat.

    I know a nearby place that has all three shules in one building.

    I have seen charedi ashkanazis impressed with some chassidic rebbe’s Torah discourses they read.

    The ashkanazi vs sephardi and ashkanazi vs chabad is old cobweb from our parent’s and grandparent’s days. Kids today don’t give a garden of fig trees what you are.

    I know plenty of sephardi/ashkanazi couples. Chabad/ger tzedek couples. etc

    It traditionally goes by the husband – women only do a fraction of the requirements men do. What does it matter if they have a sephardi accent from india if their husband and kids went to a chabad school?

    And finally, it doesn’t matter what you are. If both parents are sephardi and the only proper religious school is a chabad one —> your children will grow up chabad. It’s what school they go to, what fridnds they hang out with.

    #1043987

    doesnt matter which minhag you follow as long as you do Hashem’s mitzvos:)

    #1043988

    voos epes
    Member

    @shopping613 I guess I’m in high demand 😉

    #1043989

    Shopping613 🌠
    Participant

    I wouldn’t mind marrying sefardi either (GASP!)

    Wonder what color skin my kids would have…

    #1043992

    it doesnt matter which minhag we follow were still all jews:) were all one nation:)

    #1043993

    voos epes
    Member

    I guess your very open minded then

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