Chasidish or Litvish and Nothing Else?

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  • #603233
    avhaben
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    Why is it, in shidduchim and everything else, people are categorized only as either Chasidish or Litvish? What happened to all the non-Chasidim who aren’t Litvish? (i.e. Oberlander, Yekke and a whole host of others. For example, the Oberlanders get dumped in the category as Chasidim and the Yekkes get dumped into the category as Litvaks.)

    Not everyone who shtams from the “Chasidish countries” were Chasidim and not everyone who shtams from Lita (Lithuania) was a Litvak (as minhagei lita are known.) And that is before even getting to the places in Europe that were never Litvish or Chasidish!

    #942914

    It’s because of the dress, mostly, I believe.

    And yes, it is absolutely wrong.

    Here in Gateshead it’s mostly yekkes. Same in London and Manchester I believe (apart from the chassidim there).

    Altogether, I don’t really care any more either. We’re frumme yidden – that’s the important thing. I am so tired of putting people in boxes.

    #942915
    ED IT OR
    Participant

    Tcg

    I like your post +10

    #942916
    gefen
    Participant

    “Altogether, I don’t really care any more either. We’re frumme yidden – that’s the important thing. I am so tired of putting people in boxes.”

    TOTALLY AGREE.

    #942917
    Yussel
    Participant

    Don’t you know that the only REAL yidden are either Litvish or Chassidish. The rest are all modernish tziyoinim.

    #942918
    🍫Syag Lchochma
    Participant

    I dont mind putting people in boxes but I do find the duct tape to be confining.

    #942919
    midwesterner
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    Cahssidic and Litvish are not geographical labels. They are sociological labels. They indicate a lifestyle. If one is looking to live a Litvishe lifestyle, then frequently a yekke will fit the bill. And if someone is looking for a chassidishe lifestyle, the Oberlanders are not all that much different. No one is insulting anyone. Just trying to figure out what will be a nce fit.

    #942920
    bpt
    Participant

    And lets not forget Chilled Yeshivish, Heimish, and my personal fave, Flexidish.

    But when it comes down to the wire, most everyone of European stock really fits into one of the two categories; Chossid or Misnagid

    #942921
    gefen
    Participant

    Syag – LOL

    #942922
    avhaben
    Participant

    bpt – don’t forget “Modern Chasidish”.

    #942923
    gefen
    Participant

    avhaben – you mean “tuna baigels”?

    #942924
    Fashionablee
    Member

    Why all the labeling?

    Live and let live, my friends.

    #942925
    writersoul
    Participant

    Yeah, I’ve always wondered that myself. For instance, my family is lapsed Galicianer Belzer Chassidim. (We discontinued our affiliation about 90 years ago, so don’t say anything, please.) We live a pretty yeshivish life, and we’re always classified as Litvish for some reason I don’t understand, though none of my ancestors ever lived in Lithuania or had Lithuanian minhagim (my great-grandfather pretended he was Litvish, but that’s another story).

    Just to add a bit more to the discussion, what in YOUR opinion is the definition of chareidi? It’s one of those things I’ve never understood.

    #942926
    kapusta
    Participant

    Syag, 😉

    *kapusta*

    #942927
    147
    Participant

    1st things 1st:- There are 12 Gates to Shomayim, for our prayers to most effectively soar up to haShem. In-fact if someone barks up the wrong gate:- i.e. Davens the wrong Nussach as per his/her family custom, his/her prayers may possibly not reach haShem.

    My arithmetic tells me that 12 Gates is 6 times as many as Hassidik & Litvak exclusively.

    Let me make 2 observations:- 1) Yekkes are Not Litvaks, and despite both praying Nusach Ashkenaz, let me tell you in no uncertain terms:- Plenty differences in both sets of prayers.

    2) I have not read 1 remark about Sephardim on this forum:- What happened to our dear Sephardim brethren? Yet many wonderful marriages between Sephardim & Ashkenazim.

    #942928
    derszoger
    Member

    Oberlanders daven Nusach Ashkenaz; why would they be categorized with Chasidim?

    #942929
    Shticky Guy
    Participant

    There’s no discussion. Everyone IS either chassidish or Litvish going back centuries and I can prove it. My kids brought home from school a picture of Moshe Rabeinu doing krias yam suff wearing a streimel. I rest my case.

    #942930
    147
    Participant

    You Shticky Guy &/or your Children’s school picture books have insulted the entire scenario of Shevi’i Shel Pesach which we commemorated this past Monday and the 50 miracles accompanying that saga as mentioned in the Haggodo, and this attitude tragically brings us to the current mourning during the Omer as per “Lo Nohagu Kovod Zeh loZeh” haShem yeRachem.

    #942931
    yaakov doe
    Participant

    Shticky Guy – There is a long mesorah of Moishe Rabanu waering a shtreimal with documented pictures going back over 45 years. I’ve only seen the picture from Har Sinai, never from krias Yam Suf. I assume that Yisro bought it for him at the time of the chassanah.

    #942932
    R.T.
    Participant

    Moshe Rabbenu (a”h) was Sephardi. Remember, he was born in Mitzraim. If he was born in Eastern Europe and thrown into the Donau (Danube River), then he would have been called Moishe Rabinovitch.

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