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    has anyone found a good method of doing chazarah that’s both doable (not too intense) and effective

    #1011608

    WIY
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    There are various effective methods. If you want to see a website dedicated to chazara (they have programs for basically any sefer go there and you will really enjoy) try googling “dafyomireview” and it should bring up their website.

    #1011609

    sam4321
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    The gemara in Eruvin(54b) discusses chazrah and its importance. The gemara mentions that chazarah was done 4 times by Moshe Rabbeinu,and then goes on to explain the importance of mnemonics to remember each suyga easily. So 4 times might be a start.

    #1011610

    ItcheSrulik
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    Which seforim?

    #1011611

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Make sure you use a blech.

    #1011612

    real-brisker
    Member

    DY – 🙂

    #1011613

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    chazarah comes from the root of “chazer”– “pig”.

    If you want to chazer correctly, you need to do it like a pig, and grab every moment you can.

    #1011614

    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    According to some studies chazara works best when you pig out on food while doing it.

    #1011615

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Oh, THAT kind of chazarah. 😉

    Seriously, the Dirshu method is very effective. I may have the details wrong, but it goes something like this:

    Every day, learn a particular amount, after chazering the limud from the previous day.

    Chazer everything from the week on Shabbos.

    Chazer all of that once a month.

    This is short term, aside from any project to constantly chazer all previous limudim.

    #1011616

    Abelleh
    Participant

    I would recommend the Kerem Yehoshoua (an English sefer; I forget the author… his name is probably Yehoshuoa). I used it a few times, and thought it was fantastic. He gives a study plan (which I no longer use) and a methodology for chazara (which I still try to use). Both are great

    #1011617

    WIY
    Member

    ItcheSrulik

    Check out dafyomireview dot com

    #1011618

    MDG
    Participant

    “I would recommend the Kerem Yehoshoua (an English sefer; I forget the author… his name is probably Yehoshuoa). “

    Last name, I think, is Cohen.

    #1011619

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    When you complete a Sugya, it is a good idea to do what the Tana’im did. You find many Mishnayos and Braysos that give you a number of times that you would be Chayav or Patur.

    #1011620

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    It is important when you chazer to learn something new in the material each time- not to just chew the exact same thing all over again. Like a chazer that doesn’t chew its cud.

    #1011621

    feivel
    Participant

    The gemara mentions that chazarah was done 4 times by Moshe Rabbeinu

    if you look at any page of Gemorah you will notice there are 4 lines of Rashi, and 4 lines of Tosfos above the Gemorah. some think that is a remez to chazarah 4 times

    #1011622

    feivel
    Participant

    this is a little tangential, but does apply to chazarah.

    i just heard a few minutes ago on a tape from Rabbi Avigdor Miller, tz’l,

    that when learning Gemorah it is advisable to have in mind that you are going to have to say over the sugya, or the Tosfos or whatever, to someone later that day, like youre going to give a Shiur to young Bochrim. then say it over to yourself without looking in the Gemorrah.

    #1011623

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    I’ve noticed that a great time to Chazzer is when it is not fresh in your mind anymore, but before it is completely gone. This way you get to have a fresh look at the Sugya while reaping the rewards of what you put in last time.

    When doing it this way you see clearly everything that was confusing before. This is what Chazal mean by Halomed V’eino Chozer Kizorei’a V’eino Kotzer — One who learns and does not Chazzer is as one who plants but does not return to cut his stalks.

    #1011624

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    The proper way to chazer, is to get down and dirty in the material. Like chazers do. You can’t just read quickly through it and rely on how you understood it last time; you need to get into it again.

    I want you to all pay attention to the way I continue to make my joke even though everybody is ignoring it. Like Dovid Hamelech said, ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ????.

    #1011625

    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    Popa, yes I smiled to myself, perhaps even chuckled. Should I write, CTM?

    If you keep repeating your Moiradike Remez you’re gonna start believing it.

    #1011626

    hello99
    Member

    take a position where people ask you questions. after getting stumped once or twice you’ll find yourself VERY motivated to chazer.

    #1011627

    ZeesKite
    Participant

    Popa: There was this daf yomi maggid shiur in Monsey about two years ago found selling… Anyways, when getting ready to run off, his shiur asked him what to do. His reply “Chazer, Chazer, Chazer”

    #1011628

    WIY
    Member

    Did anyone here actually check out the website I recommended?

    #1011629

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Wow. Three good popa posts in one short thread. Bumping for nachas.

    #1011630

    lebidik yankel
    Participant

    I learned that chazarah is something very different: it should be short. R’ Moshe Feinstein told the boys – and practised it himself – that one should not relearn the daf, rather read through it without concentrating too much. He said six minutes a daf. Only Chazer the gemarah, not rashi or tosfos (although naturally you will be learning the sugya with their perush) because you will get bogged down. Chazzar while the subject is fresh (as the gemarah says, Atiki kasha machaedta). Chazzar three blatt a day.

    Chazzarah is a flow. It is enjoyable to relax and let the familiar words of the gemarah flow past. Most people who claim that chazarah is hard and that they have no taam in it are simply doing it wrong.

    #1011631

    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    Very good, pba, and yes we also noticed that you predicted the Midrash about the number of steps in a lifetime. Has today been a good day for your ego?

    #1011632

    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    Has today been a good day for your ego?

    Reasonable. I think I did a pretty good job on something in real life today also, but I won’t know exactly about that until I see the outcome.

    I also made pizza today in my cast iron skillet, using the dough I’ve been regaling you about. I think I may have eaten it a bit raw though.

    #1011633

    OneOfMany
    Participant

    snort

    #1011634

    Josh31
    Participant

    lebidik yankel, The approach you bring down will help one to see the forest. With normal learning one can be so focused on the details that he cannot see the big picture.

    #1011635

    plonirs
    Member

    WIY – yes. great site. they have a new db version now with even more chazara features. see the link on top left corner

    #1011636

    oomis
    Participant

    chazarah comes from the root of “chazer”– “pig”.

    If you want to chazer correctly, you need to do it like a pig, and grab every moment you can.

    I just read this for the first time – I think it’s a terrific analogy!

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