January 14, 2012 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #601626vitalmudo biyadoMember
has anyone found a good method of doing chazarah that’s both doable (not too intense) and effectiveJanuary 15, 2012 5:41 am at 5:41 am #1011608
There are various effective methods. If you want to see a website dedicated to chazara (they have programs for basically any sefer go there and you will really enjoy) try googling “dafyomireview” and it should bring up their website.January 15, 2012 6:38 am at 6:38 am #1011609sam4321Participant
The gemara in Eruvin(54b) discusses chazrah and its importance. The gemara mentions that chazarah was done 4 times by Moshe Rabbeinu,and then goes on to explain the importance of mnemonics to remember each suyga easily. So 4 times might be a start.January 15, 2012 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #1011610ItcheSrulikMember
Which seforim?January 15, 2012 2:40 pm at 2:40 pm #1011611☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Make sure you use a blech.January 15, 2012 4:23 pm at 4:23 pm #1011612real-briskerMember
DY – 🙂January 15, 2012 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #1011613
chazarah comes from the root of “chazer”– “pig”.
If you want to chazer correctly, you need to do it like a pig, and grab every moment you can.January 15, 2012 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #1011614ItcheSrulikMember
According to some studies chazara works best when you pig out on food while doing it.January 15, 2012 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #1011615☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Oh, THAT kind of chazarah. 😉
Seriously, the Dirshu method is very effective. I may have the details wrong, but it goes something like this:
Every day, learn a particular amount, after chazering the limud from the previous day.
Chazer everything from the week on Shabbos.
Chazer all of that once a month.
This is short term, aside from any project to constantly chazer all previous limudim.January 15, 2012 7:13 pm at 7:13 pm #1011616AbellehParticipant
I would recommend the Kerem Yehoshoua (an English sefer; I forget the author… his name is probably Yehoshuoa). I used it a few times, and thought it was fantastic. He gives a study plan (which I no longer use) and a methodology for chazara (which I still try to use). Both are greatJanuary 16, 2012 3:39 am at 3:39 am #1011617
Check out dafyomireview dot comJanuary 16, 2012 5:06 am at 5:06 am #1011618MDGParticipant
“I would recommend the Kerem Yehoshoua (an English sefer; I forget the author… his name is probably Yehoshuoa). “
Last name, I think, is Cohen.January 17, 2012 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1011619
When you complete a Sugya, it is a good idea to do what the Tana’im did. You find many Mishnayos and Braysos that give you a number of times that you would be Chayav or Patur.January 17, 2012 1:55 am at 1:55 am #1011620
It is important when you chazer to learn something new in the material each time- not to just chew the exact same thing all over again. Like a chazer that doesn’t chew its cud.January 17, 2012 5:04 pm at 5:04 pm #1011621feivelParticipant
The gemara mentions that chazarah was done 4 times by Moshe Rabbeinu
if you look at any page of Gemorah you will notice there are 4 lines of Rashi, and 4 lines of Tosfos above the Gemorah. some think that is a remez to chazarah 4 timesJanuary 17, 2012 5:11 pm at 5:11 pm #1011622feivelParticipant
this is a little tangential, but does apply to chazarah.
i just heard a few minutes ago on a tape from Rabbi Avigdor Miller, tz’l,
that when learning Gemorah it is advisable to have in mind that you are going to have to say over the sugya, or the Tosfos or whatever, to someone later that day, like youre going to give a Shiur to young Bochrim. then say it over to yourself without looking in the Gemorrah.January 17, 2012 6:05 pm at 6:05 pm #1011623
I’ve noticed that a great time to Chazzer is when it is not fresh in your mind anymore, but before it is completely gone. This way you get to have a fresh look at the Sugya while reaping the rewards of what you put in last time.
When doing it this way you see clearly everything that was confusing before. This is what Chazal mean by Halomed V’eino Chozer Kizorei’a V’eino Kotzer — One who learns and does not Chazzer is as one who plants but does not return to cut his stalks.January 17, 2012 6:16 pm at 6:16 pm #1011624
The proper way to chazer, is to get down and dirty in the material. Like chazers do. You can’t just read quickly through it and rely on how you understood it last time; you need to get into it again.
I want you to all pay attention to the way I continue to make my joke even though everybody is ignoring it. Like Dovid Hamelech said, ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?? ????.January 17, 2012 8:21 pm at 8:21 pm #1011625
Popa, yes I smiled to myself, perhaps even chuckled. Should I write, CTM?
If you keep repeating your Moiradike Remez you’re gonna start believing it.January 17, 2012 10:05 pm at 10:05 pm #1011626hello99Participant
take a position where people ask you questions. after getting stumped once or twice you’ll find yourself VERY motivated to chazer.January 18, 2012 6:39 am at 6:39 am #1011627ZeesKiteParticipant
Popa: There was this daf yomi maggid shiur in Monsey about two years ago found selling… Anyways, when getting ready to run off, his shiur asked him what to do. His reply “Chazer, Chazer, Chazer”January 19, 2012 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm #1011628
Did anyone here actually check out the website I recommended?December 17, 2012 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1011629
Wow. Three good popa posts in one short thread. Bumping for nachas.December 17, 2012 11:11 pm at 11:11 pm #1011630lebidik yankelParticipant
I learned that chazarah is something very different: it should be short. R’ Moshe Feinstein told the boys – and practised it himself – that one should not relearn the daf, rather read through it without concentrating too much. He said six minutes a daf. Only Chazer the gemarah, not rashi or tosfos (although naturally you will be learning the sugya with their perush) because you will get bogged down. Chazzar while the subject is fresh (as the gemarah says, Atiki kasha machaedta). Chazzar three blatt a day.
Chazzarah is a flow. It is enjoyable to relax and let the familiar words of the gemarah flow past. Most people who claim that chazarah is hard and that they have no taam in it are simply doing it wrong.December 18, 2012 1:38 am at 1:38 am #1011631Torah613TorahParticipant
Very good, pba, and yes we also noticed that you predicted the Midrash about the number of steps in a lifetime. Has today been a good day for your ego?December 18, 2012 2:29 am at 2:29 am #1011632
Has today been a good day for your ego?
Reasonable. I think I did a pretty good job on something in real life today also, but I won’t know exactly about that until I see the outcome.
I also made pizza today in my cast iron skillet, using the dough I’ve been regaling you about. I think I may have eaten it a bit raw though.December 18, 2012 2:38 am at 2:38 am #1011633OneOfManyParticipant
snortDecember 18, 2012 5:44 am at 5:44 am #1011634Josh31Participant
lebidik yankel, The approach you bring down will help one to see the forest. With normal learning one can be so focused on the details that he cannot see the big picture.April 14, 2014 11:53 am at 11:53 am #1011635plonirsMember
WIY – yes. great site. they have a new db version now with even more chazara features. see the link on top left cornerApril 14, 2014 12:45 pm at 12:45 pm #1011636oomisParticipant
chazarah comes from the root of “chazer”– “pig”.
If you want to chazer correctly, you need to do it like a pig, and grab every moment you can.
I just read this for the first time – I think it’s a terrific analogy!
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