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  • October 2, 2017 12:23 pm at 12:23 pm #1376692
    pilitalk
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    Hi
    Anyone know where i can find chazon ish esrogim in the brooklyn area?

    October 2, 2017 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1377416
    Gadolhadorah
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    I’m not sure how many esrog trees from the seeds of the original Chazon Ish tree in BB are producing esrogim but from a purely objective and technical perspective, are these esrogim any more “hidur” than those from Italy or other locations??? And is there any price at a which the concept of hidur mitzvah gives way to the notion that the price is simply “too high” ?

    October 2, 2017 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1377412
    iacisrmma
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    Esrogei Bnai Torah 2925 Nostrand Ave (corner of Ave K).

    October 2, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1377454
    pilitalk
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    Thanks. It’s not so much about being more hadar. It’s a shailah of being yotze the mitzvah as some are of the opinion that a esrog hamurkav (grafted) is pasul and the chazon ish esrogim have a reputation of being clean from any form of grafting and they generally fulfill the simanim of a non-grafted esrog (brought down by the mishnah berura) better than most others. I think the 2 visible simanim are 1. lots of bumps and 2. ukitz pushed into the esrog which I think you find more on the chazon ish esrogim despite the fact that objectively they usually look weirder than the others (probably because they weren’t grafted with lemons).

    October 2, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1377456
    DrYidd
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    for two reasons i prefer esrogim from Israel over those from other countries. first, it is supporting the israeli economy. second, the chance of adulteration is probably lower.

    October 2, 2017 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm #1377462
    iacisrmma
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    GH: There are those (like me) who prefer esrogim from EY (not necessarily Chazon Ish). “Hidur” in an esrog, generally is personal taste. All yellow, partially green, all green, size, gartel, etc. go into what a person considers a “hidur”. Is price an issue? For some, yes. For others, no. My budget is between $50 – $75.

    October 2, 2017 3:52 pm at 3:52 pm #1377481
    CTRebbe
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    Pilltalk- everyone holds grafted is pasul. The question is on whether the others are grafted or not. I once heard that the issue the Chazon Ish had with the other esrogim is that they were grafted with Ilanei srak.

    October 2, 2017 5:17 pm at 5:17 pm #1377504
    ubiquitin
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    CTRebbe

    “everyone holds grafted is pasul. ”

    This isnt completely true. Although certainly most hold that way. and even if it is passul, according to many (Taz for example) it would be a pesul of chaser and only be a problem the first day (and perhaps second in chutz laaretz)
    Polsih Chassdim (such as Ger) are not too worried about murkav as there is a Teshuva from the sochatchover (the Avnei Nezer ) allwoing it (I dont recall if he allows it lechatchila or only bedieved/beshas hadchak)

    October 2, 2017 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #1377579
    GAON
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    Ubiquit,
    I recall the Avnei Nezer does not allow it (at least leKatchila) he does say something to the effect that the Admor the Chozah of Lublin did use a Murkav (esrog of Kurfo), due to him being a decendent of the BaCH who allowed murkav. For the very same same reason he allowed Chadash, being that the BaCH allowed it.The Avnei Nezer is located at the end of the Chosen Mishpat vol.
    Also, many Polish gedolim came out with a proclamation against אתרוגים קורפו. Including, the Gaon of Kutna, Nefesh Chai, Kli Chemda etc.
    However, there is a responsum by the great Sefardi Gadol the Sba Kadusha Rav Alfandri ztl claiming that grafting lemon is not Murkav.

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