April 28, 2022 2:22 pm at 2:22 pm #2080728Shalom-al-IsraelParticipant
Military Chazzanim to 0404 News: “We were prevented from reciting ‘E-l Male Rachamin’ on Holocaust Day”
(0404 News, Apr 28, ’22)April 28, 2022 4:41 pm at 4:41 pm #2080812
The so-called holocaust day established by the atheist state is a meaningless farce.April 28, 2022 5:03 pm at 5:03 pm #2080835ubiquitinParticipant
So you approve of the Millitary Chazzanim being prevented from recitil El moleh* ?
If it is meaningless (a strange assertion since IF people find meaning in it then it isn’t meaningless) surley the less people that partake, especially reciting shem Hashem the better?
(I have no idea if the story is true)April 28, 2022 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #2080840commonsaychelParticipant
Learn a mishna liluy nishmas, far more for the nishoma then someone singing kal moleh. Frankly most pople could not care lessApril 28, 2022 6:27 pm at 6:27 pm #2080842lakewhutParticipant
ujm that’s sensitive to families of Holocaust victims. What else do they teach to in your shtetl cult?April 28, 2022 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #2080848hockintherockParticipant
No E-l Maleh Rachamim in Chodesh NissanApril 28, 2022 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #2080854GadolhadorahParticipant
Who prevented them and WHY???April 28, 2022 6:30 pm at 6:30 pm #2080855Reb EliezerParticipant
The designation for commemoration should never have been made for Nissan as we don’t say E-l Male Rachamim in Nissan.April 28, 2022 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #2080876Reb EliezerParticipant
משנה and נשמה have the same letters. Specially learning the last 4 mishnayus in the seventh perek of Oholos which begin with those letters.April 28, 2022 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #2080877commonsaychelParticipant
Lakewut, all of my Grandparents were sole survivors, and I could not care less about the so called yom hashoah, and my grandparents could not care less either,April 28, 2022 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #2080885
lakewhut: I’m a holocaust survivor family. Yes, like most of pre-holocaust Yidden, we lived in the shtetl. Why do you hate shtetl Yidden? The way Yidden lived in the shtetl, is the way Yidden should live today.April 28, 2022 9:38 pm at 9:38 pm #2080890Shalom-al-IsraelParticipant
R’ Eliezer, it’s about Kaddish too.
In the IDF Ordinance for Holocaust Martyrs ‘and Heroes’ Remembrance Day without any Jewish symbol, neither Kaddish nor E-l male Rachsmim
Rotter, 29.04.22April 29, 2022 9:26 am at 9:26 am #2080964Avi KParticipant
UJM, that is the problem. You think that you are still in the shtetl. BTW, they were not so holy. Anyone who learns the responsa literature knows that.April 29, 2022 10:18 am at 10:18 am #2081000
Avi: The problem is that you think since your family left the shtetl you are free to abandon the Yiddishkeit we practiced in the shtetl.May 1, 2022 11:03 am at 11:03 am #2081486BenephraimParticipant
The נשמות of the קדושים are before the רבונו של עולם always כביכול. There is no עבירה of having a מחשבה of a Keylmol. It is an oneys that it cannot be recited by the shatzim.May 2, 2022 8:34 am at 8:34 am #2081660
The yidishkeit in many a shtetl was incomplete. At best.May 2, 2022 1:26 pm at 1:26 pm #2081882
The yidishkeit anywhere in golus has been incomplete. The yidishkeit in America doesn’t hold a candle to the yidishkeit in the shtetl. Halevei the yidishkeit of this generation should elevate itself to come closer to the yidishkeit of the shtetl.May 2, 2022 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2081899
Ipcha mistavra. If you would not be so into recreating the shtetl, you would know the history. The shtetl stirred up a lot of agnostic attitudes toward the Torah. Which is why irreligious sefardim (In the mid-east) did not have such attitudes until they met their western counterparts.May 2, 2022 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm #2081923GadolhadorahParticipant
There is a frequently “blind” belief that yiddeshe life in the Shtetl/ Alte Heim was fundamentally endowed with greater kedushah than how yidden live today, both in EY and chutz l’aretz. On some levels, clearly yes but it is naive to make a blanket generalization.May 2, 2022 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #2081946
n0 > The shtetl stirred up a lot of agnostic attitudes toward the Torah. Which is why irreligious sefardim (In the mid-east) did not have such attitudes until they met their western counterparts.
I just wrote about this in another thread. I don’t the shtetl itself created the stira – rather enlightment and russian oppression. R Berel Wein traces antagonism of Israeli commies towards religious organization to the russian law that made kahal responsible for providing cantonists – kids for pre-army military schools, leading to corruption and violence within the community.May 2, 2022 3:28 pm at 3:28 pm #2081947
Gadol > yiddeshe life in the Shtetl/ Alte Heim was fundamentally endowed with greater kedushah
One thing different was that most Yidden did not have a lot of choices, so people stayed within the community.May 2, 2022 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #2082000
“One thing different was that most Yidden did not have a lot of choices, so people stayed within the community.”
That was excellent. Halevei we had that maaila today.May 2, 2022 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #2082045
ujm > That was excellent. Halevei we had that maaila today.
That seems was the position of Chabad Alter Rebbe who supported the czar against most other Rebbeim who welcomed Napoleon (that and RealPolitik that the czar is not going anywhere). Similarly, R Schach writes that we should thank Hashem for making Arabs antagonistic to early Zionists – otherwise, there will be widespread assimilation in Palestine (aside: seems like R Schach cared about those Zionists more than some here).
Of course, however great is to piggyback on czar’s army to ensure compliance with yiddishkeit, I have a feeling that is not the Torah ideal. We have mitzvos to establish our own free society, not ask Pharaoh to ensure we eat kosher.May 2, 2022 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2082066
The Shtetl was producing agnostic-to-Torah Jews three hundred years before the cantonists. Which was before The Enlightenment as well.
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