October 13, 2016 2:55 pm at 2:55 pm #618517
The Spartan Gym on Coney Island Ave in Flatbush has a special of annual membership $175. Not a modern place but it gets the job done. Few if any women in early morning. Today there were none; most mornings there are none.October 13, 2016 6:29 pm at 6:29 pm #1186849
You keep away when any women are there?October 13, 2016 7:08 pm at 7:08 pm #1186850
usually on a different floorOctober 13, 2016 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #1186851
And if they’re on your floor or both floors?October 14, 2016 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1186852
Hasn’t happened. There are days that go by when there are no women at all and usually it’s one using a treadmill near the front dressed no differently from anyone walking in the streetOctober 14, 2016 3:34 am at 3:34 am #1186853
“dressed no differently from anyone walking in the street”
That doesn’t sound so good…October 14, 2016 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #1186854
It means the women wear pants and blouses, long sleeve in this weather.October 14, 2016 6:40 pm at 6:40 pm #1186855
There are other frum guys there of various stripes, including one yeshivishe looking one.October 15, 2016 11:21 pm at 11:21 pm #1186856
“There are other frum guys there of various stripes, including one yeshivishe looking one.”
That fact should not be used to determine whether or not it’s okay. I’m not poskening or judging whether or not it is since you didn’t ask my opinion and since I’m not qualified to posken on the matter and since I have no idea; I am simply pointing out that that should not be a factor in the decision.
To quote someone I know, “There’s plenty of room in Gehinnom for everyone.” (again, I am not poskening or passing judgment on this issue – simply pointing out that the fact that others do it doesn’t necessarily make it okay.)October 16, 2016 12:25 am at 12:25 am #1186857
I thought I had deleted that. I meant to.October 16, 2016 1:30 am at 1:30 am #1186858
lilmod: Yes I am sure. But holier than thou people should be careful what they say and where they say it.October 16, 2016 2:10 am at 2:10 am #1186859
flatbusher – If you’re referring to me, I wasn’t being holier than thou. I made it clear that I wasn’t judging – I was simply commenting on the fact that you mentioned that there were Yeshivish looking people there as though that is a “ra’aya” that it is okay (I then realized that might not have been what you meant, which is why I tried to delete it.)October 16, 2016 2:11 am at 2:11 am #1186860
But I apologize if you thought I was even though I thought it was clear that I wasn’t.October 16, 2016 7:48 am at 7:48 am #1186861
I knew a guy named Cheap Jim – never picked up a check.October 16, 2016 8:57 am at 8:57 am #1186862
my comment was not that it should make it more kosher, just that you would be in company with other frum people (albeit few and just at the time when I attend). When you make a comment about room in gehennom, it sounds like you’re making a judgment.October 16, 2016 10:31 am at 10:31 am #1186863
flatbusher – You sounded like you were insulted by what I wrote, and I’ve been racking my brains to figure out why. I think I finally “chapped”. When I made that comment about Gehinnom, did you think I meant you chas v’shalom:?! Such a thing never occurred to me!!! I was referring to people who do something assur and think it’s okay because others do it. In your case, it never occurred to me that you were doing something “assur”!!! So it never occurred to me you would think I was talking about you!!!
I was simply making the point that the fact that other people do things is not the reason it’s okay. I just took it for granted that you had asked a sheilah and/or knew it was totally “muttar”.
Maybe it seems obvious that that is how my words would be taken, but it really hadn’t occurred to me in a million years (as one of the moderators pointed out previously, maybe I am a bit naive, Boruch Hashem!) In any case, if that is how you took it, I sincerely apologize!!! And I hope you are moichel. I would never have written it if I had had a “hava amina” that it would be taken that way!!!October 16, 2016 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1186864
My reaction is based on the fact that your comment was similar to those of others when I posted months ago about mixed gyms. Often people make assumptions without really knowing the specifics. I go for health reasons, not to gawk at women, even if they were there. Of course I am mochel. Have a good yom tov.October 16, 2016 12:13 pm at 12:13 pm #1186865
Flatbusher – thanks for being moichel. I didn’t know anything about others’ comments. I also happen to know of someone who was told that something similar was muttar (or at least not assur). I don’t know the specifics of his situation or the way his sheilah was asked (so I wouldn’t want anyone reading this to make assumptions regarding the permissibility of this) but I also had no reason to assume that it was definitely assur, and I had no reason to pass judgment and did not intend to do so. But I do feel bad if it sounded like I was doing so, and I appreciate your being moichel.
Have a great Yom Tov!
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