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The Spartan Gym on Coney Island Ave in Flatbush has a special of annual membership $175. Not a modern place but it gets the job done. Few if any women in early morning. Today there were none; most mornings there are none.
You keep away when any women are there?
And if they’re on your floor or both floors?
“dressed no differently from anyone walking in the street”
That doesn’t sound so good…
“There are other frum guys there of various stripes, including one yeshivishe looking one.”
That fact should not be used to determine whether or not it’s okay. I’m not poskening or judging whether or not it is since you didn’t ask my opinion and since I’m not qualified to posken on the matter and since I have no idea; I am simply pointing out that that should not be a factor in the decision.
To quote someone I know, “There’s plenty of room in Gehinnom for everyone.” (again, I am not poskening or passing judgment on this issue – simply pointing out that the fact that others do it doesn’t necessarily make it okay.)
I thought I had deleted that. I meant to.
flatbusher – If you’re referring to me, I wasn’t being holier than thou. I made it clear that I wasn’t judging – I was simply commenting on the fact that you mentioned that there were Yeshivish looking people there as though that is a “ra’aya” that it is okay (I then realized that might not have been what you meant, which is why I tried to delete it.)
But I apologize if you thought I was even though I thought it was clear that I wasn’t.
I knew a guy named Cheap Jim – never picked up a check.
flatbusher – You sounded like you were insulted by what I wrote, and I’ve been racking my brains to figure out why. I think I finally “chapped”. When I made that comment about Gehinnom, did you think I meant you chas v’shalom:?! Such a thing never occurred to me!!! I was referring to people who do something assur and think it’s okay because others do it. In your case, it never occurred to me that you were doing something “assur”!!! So it never occurred to me you would think I was talking about you!!!
I was simply making the point that the fact that other people do things is not the reason it’s okay. I just took it for granted that you had asked a sheilah and/or knew it was totally “muttar”.
Maybe it seems obvious that that is how my words would be taken, but it really hadn’t occurred to me in a million years (as one of the moderators pointed out previously, maybe I am a bit naive, Boruch Hashem!) In any case, if that is how you took it, I sincerely apologize!!! And I hope you are moichel. I would never have written it if I had had a “hava amina” that it would be taken that way!!!
Flatbusher – thanks for being moichel. I didn’t know anything about others’ comments. I also happen to know of someone who was told that something similar was muttar (or at least not assur). I don’t know the specifics of his situation or the way his sheilah was asked (so I wouldn’t want anyone reading this to make assumptions regarding the permissibility of this) but I also had no reason to assume that it was definitely assur, and I had no reason to pass judgment and did not intend to do so. But I do feel bad if it sounded like I was doing so, and I appreciate your being moichel.
Have a great Yom Tov!
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