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What is cheating? I was having an hourlong debate with someone about this today and I think- (I’m using the example of a test because thats easiest and I don’t want to give too much details)
Theoretically, if you know the answers to a question but you look at someone elses test and you write her answer, even if it was the same answer you were going to write, is it cheating?
I say no. What do you guys think??
Rav Moshe(CM 2:30) actually has a famous Tshuvah about cheating on regents. If you knew the answer then why would you look. The fact that a person looks they are not confident in their own answer.
yes, because your getting reassurance from looking, and your cheating on that part of the test.
If you really knew the answer, then it isn’t cheating. But the teacher has no reason to believe you knew the answer, and she shouldn’t, because then anyone can claim that. Besides, it’s not proper to make yourself appear like someone who cheats. As Chazal say ????? ??? ?? ???? ?? – since you are good don’t be called bad. But technically speaking, I wouldn’t call it cheating.
It was wrong to look at her paper, but if it was truly and honestly your answer and you were not going to change it then you can write it. This is my opinion.
what if you already wrote your answer when you saw it? that change it? and in this theoretical question, why was the person looking at the neighbor’s paper. personally, (when i wore glasses) i removed my glasses. my eyesight is pretty bad even 1 seat over. just an extra shmira.
The cheating was the act of looking at the other’s paper, if you didn’t see the answer you were still cheating by looking at the other person’s paper. Had you been caught you would have failed for cheating whether or not you would have seen your neighbor’s answer or not.
I think sam4321 makes a good point about confidence in your answer.
Folks, this isn’t hard. If you have to ask if a certain activity is cheating, it almost certainly is. To paraphrase a famous Supreme Court statement, I may not be able to specifically define cheating but I know it when I see it.
The Supreme Court was discussing something much more self-evident than cheating. The question here is twofold: are you doing something you expressly said or implied you wouldn’t and therefore lying? And secondly are you gaining an unfair advantage and therefore stealing…
Cheating is cheating. You might tell yourself right after you look at the other person’s answer that you were going to write the same thing so therefore its not cheating. But that’s not true. You are just looking for ways to make your act seem better than what it really is. The fact that you looked at the other person’s paper means that you let your yetzer hara get to you and now your yetzer hara is just scheming reasons for why it was okay to do what you just did.
Control yourself and belief in yourself that you know the right answer. Otherwise, just study harder next time.
ITS 100000000% CHEATING!!!
Any form of dishonesty is considered cheating- in any shape, color or form!
whats the point? really!?! ad mea vesrim your gonna have to answer to that- is it REALLY worth it?
i remember in HS there were girls cheating- blatently and some more quietly..it was so disgusting to me- like c’mon this is so not worth it! id rather fail than cheat!
Cinderella – you say you knew the answer but were just checking to see if it was right. what if the other girl’s answer was different? would you have changed yours? If yes – then the answer is obvious. If no – then why look in the first place?
One time when I was in high school we had a multiple choice test. One girl copied the answers straight from the girl in front of her. The problem? She got it one line off! So while here answers were in the correct order ex: b c d a c b etc, they were to the wrong questions. OOPS! Boy did she get in trouble!
Cheating by any other name is still cheating!
I do.
Everyone who said “obviously you’re getting something out of the other person’s paper” – Cinderella said she was asking a theoretical question. What if, in theory, you aren’t?
I still think it’s not a good thing to do. But it’s not “cheating.”
If you knew the answer then why would you look. The fact that a person looks they are not confident in their own answer.
I still think that sam4321 has a good point. I can prove it from experience – in high school, after every test, my friend and I would go over all the questions together, just to make sure we got the same answers. There’s just some subconscious urge to second-guess yourself. And it’s a little bit iffy to indulge in that during the time construct of the test…
I don’t have any definition. I just don’t think your theoretical example is sound.
cinderella – sorry for saying you cheated.
but i still maintain that your example is classified as cheating.
What aveira would cheating be(if any)?
Moishy: Rav Moshe discusses cheating on regents and mentions it is assur m’shum dina d’malchusa dina,and m’ din Torah. He also says it is genavas daas which is assur for a non-jew as well. (http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=921&st=&pgnum=241&hilite=)
cinderella- yeah that’s what I was thinking too…
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