Child Victims Act now in effect in NYS

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akuperma – I haven’t read the text of the laws but from what I *have* read the school won’t be held responsible unless they had some part in protecting someone. So that argument sounds more like a set up to make it sound like a random act of injustice when that isn’t the case.
When misinformation gets presented as a premise, it manipulates the uninformed to form opinions and give support in ways they might not have meant to do.

Philosopher – I may be wrong but I would bet your statement is pure emotion and conjecture. You give a rant and include percentages and “facts” while my guess is that you are just making it up based on what you feel or heard someone else say, and that you may not even be well versed in either the law, the actual workings of the justice system, or the subject.

This is another example of what I mentioned above.

you obviously have your own opinions on this subject, but then present them that way. To state facts and percentages out of a hat is sheker. You can’t build a case of facts based on your opinions. I promise you I also have very strong opinions about this subject but that is irrelevant here. I am telling you to present your information honestly and straight. Otherwise this just turns into another vax/anti vax yelling match with people spewing opinions as if they were published data.

Here is a rule of thumb I see when reading comments about this law.

Those who hate the frum world and are the type to automatically take the anti frum side see it as a wonderful development.

Those who are not anti frum see it very differently.

e.g. On the anti frum blogs the law is being lauded

Even Rabbi Yaakov Horowitz with his consistent advocacy for protection for abuse and for abuse victims is against it.

The rest is all commentary.

but I guess I should be thrilled that you didn’t have pretend statistics to “back it up”

I bet if a Rosh Yeshiva had told a bocher 30 years ago to go to McDonalds on Shabbos and get him a cheeseburger you wouldnt feel the same way about that Rosh Yeshiva ever again and the yeshiva that refused to fire him

Syag: It would be bad because suing for financial compensation in secular court is assur al pi Torah lchol hadeios as arkois.

Comments (1) that comment is stupider than saying all trump supporters are white supremicists, including the Jews.
Pure motzei shem rah on any number of people and totally ignorant.

Comments (2)but I guess I should be thrilled that you didn’t have pretend statistics to “back it up”

Whoa, Syag Lchocma,

I knew my comment would hit a raw nerve but I still was expecting a more intelligent response. After all, you have the entire anti frum social media world to copy them from…

anonymous Jew: If an activity is prohibited according to halakha, then it is impermissible to engage in said activity regardless whether one feels the alternative is unfair or unreasonable. As such one must refrain from doing what is prohibited.

That said, if I may relate my personal experience as an attorney-at-law, the corruption and even moreso the unfairness and injustice that occurs in America’s (or for that matter foreign) court systems is beyond description and far in excess of any complaints one may lay at any legitimate Beit Din.

I’m not hiding the fact that is was my projection and opinion. I neglected to say that in my original post because I thought it’s self-evident. I apologized for not writing that in my original post. If that’s sheker in your book, so be it. It’s not sheker in my book because I’m not selling an untruth, I simply forgot to write that it’s my opinion because I thought it’s obvious to everyone that it’s my opinion as there cannot be statistics on a law that is not yet signed into law.

I am very impressed that you are so extremely careful not to ever make mistakes. I am not on your modreige, unfortunately.

Only issue I can fathom is having an institution with all new staff and members be on the hook for old workers crimes.
Otherwise who cares about the years that passed.
If you go Joseph’s route why is a one year period better?
The issue is secular court

anonymous Jew, it bothers me is 1. because I don’t have blind faith in our “justice” system. Read Lakewill’s post for some perspective. 2. I know people who are incredibly viscous and know how to lie like you’d never believe and many of them have no problem ruining other people’s lives by telling lies to get money or for other reasons.

What’s wrong with changing the statude of limitations to 25 years of age? It is highly suspicious when suddenly reminds themselves at age 35, 45 or 55 that they were abused. Remember Judge Kavanaough will all his accusers? There are meshegoyim out there that have no problem abusing such a law.

People don’t *suddenly* remember at 55. That’s just how long it takes for some people to scrape themselves out of the sewer their lives have turned into by getting molested by the people closest to them, and then being spit in the faces and left to rot by the people who didn’t believe them when it happened. Then it can take them 20 years to stop blaming themselves and spend a decade convincing themselves that unlike 35 years earlier, this time someone might believe them and support them. But maybe not, and risk dying another death. Yes, sometimes it takes people that long.

Joseph, the people who are still religious is any form after having been sexually abused ate to be commended to the highest degree. The fact that they are able to be religious shows that their belief in hashem overrides the excruciating pain they went through at the hands of “religious” people.

If they want to use a secular court because they saw that the religous community had no interest in supporting them when they reached out for help, then who can blame them.

The problem is that most people who were abused are no longer willing to have very much to do with religion

“my older sister was molested 68 years ago and her statute of limitations ran out in 1963. Age didn’t just wake up; my parents didn’t believe her”

Just a theory. If you parents had believed her, I think her life would be very different right now.

I have a friend whom when she told her parents, they responded, “okay, let’s just check with him and see if your story adds up.”

BH we now have organizations like Amudim that guide parents when their kids come forward with these allegations.

Abba_S, it costs a lot of money simply to be sued and dragged to court. Mosdos don’t have an extra dollar, never mind paying for laywers for long drawn out trials- these things can go on for months and even years.

AJ – oh I realize that, I was responding to Joseph

It will be interesting to see if there are really as many lawsuits against yiddeshe mosdos as some predicted based on the intense political lobbying by orthodox organizations against the new legislation. There have been a few individuals making such allegations for years, but rarely offering any supporting evidence (which as others have noted is very difficult when the alleged assailant is deceased and most of these mosdos did not maintain detailed records).

As far as member of the board being liable for actions of the yeshiva, it is doubtful the courts will find him liable because he had no control over the yeshiva’s employees. As far as Agudah is concerned, they have staff attorneys who could fight these lawsuits. Besides the camps maybe a separate corporation from the national organization. Also the burden of proof is on the plaintiff, many of these cases are taken on contingency.
and are very expensive so if there is no chance of making money the lawyer wouldn’t take the case.

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AJ:

I have a question for you. You state a Brooklyn Yeshiva paid a 2.1 million dollar settlement for two victims. I happen to know some details about that yeshiva and the allegations, and I have no reason to either believe their innocence, or to protect them in any way. But that notwithstanding, what was accomplished with the payout? Are the victims healed? Have their trauma effects been mitigated in any way. Did the nightmares stop? How about the anxiety or fears? Did the money solve anything for them?

There is a simple answer. They got revenge, and the moments of joy from the suffering of the yeshiva, its administration, and perhaps the well deserved bizyonos of the perpetrator. But there has not been a single instance of symptom relief to the victims, not from putting them in jail, not rendering them jobless and unemployable, not from money payouts. I am not defending or protecting the molesters. I am directly challenging the notion that revenge has any clinical benefit to the victim. The molesters can rot somewhere away from society, and this protects the public. I support that. But the obsession with lawsuits is both bloodthirsty and greedy. I know today’s world buys that. But I am a rebel here, and believe this is unfair. No, I don’t look to punish molesters. Just protect society. If that means decades in prison, send them. But money solves none of the relevant problems. And such settlements and awards might well punish the wrong people.