chillul hashem when praying?
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February 8, 2018 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1465606mik5Participant
Today, I missed the Mincha minyan that is near my college, so I was davening Mincha in the stairwell in the college. I picked a stairwell that has relatively little traffic. But it happened that there was a security guard who saw me standing there facing the wall and he says to me, “Sir are you all right”? I nod politely. He says to me, “You cannot “hang out” in the stairwell like that.” So I show him the siddur that is in my hand. He says to me, “You can go to the lounge, but you cannot hang out here.” What should I do? (I don’t think he understood that I was praying; maybe he thought I was studying or something.)
What ended up happening is that I continued to nod politely and he BH left me alone, which I quickly finished davening. What would you have done? Did I make a Chillul Hashem by acting in a strange way?February 8, 2018 10:04 pm at 10:04 pm #1465898icemelterParticipant
Why daven in a stairwell got to a room or somethingFebruary 8, 2018 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1465940jakobParticipant
i would have-without disturbing my tefillah by talking to him-walked to a better location & continue davening thus not talking in between & still being one tefilla
in the future in colleges its best to remain low profile & not attract any attention of judaism to yourself & C”V not cause any anti-semitismFebruary 8, 2018 10:19 pm at 10:19 pm #1465941JosephParticipant
You know the Halacha about the King who interrupts the Yid in middle of Shemona Esrei?February 9, 2018 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #1466301mik5Participant
As mentioned, the reason I chose the stairwell is because it is a relatively quiet place with relatively little traffic. If I go to a classroom, maybe a class will come or maybe the cleaning guy will need to clean there, whereas in a stairwell I am not bothering anyone and I can daven as long as I want. To walk in the middle of SE is not l’chatchila. If I would be a Muslim guy with a carpet, no one would have said a word to me. I thank Hashem that the situation did not escalate beyond what I described, and that BH I did not transgress the halacha of not talking or walking during SE. Rabbi Yitzchak Zilber, in anti-Semitic Soviet Russia, once pretended that he was having a heart attack and was unable to speak to avoid talking to someone during SE. L’havdil, Reb Sholom M. Rubashkin personally told me that he was moser nefesh, at great personal risk, not to talk in the middle of davening when in jail.
in the future in colleges its best to remain low profile & not attract any attention of judaism to yourself & C”V not cause any anti-semitism
What are the paramaters of keeping a low profile? Is it OK to wear a yarmulke and tzitzis out? Is it OK to daven there if there is no other place for me to daven? Have you ever put on tefillin on a plane? I put on tefillin while traveling to Spokane, Washington and no one said a word to me. Was I bothering anyone by standing in the corner and praying?February 12, 2018 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #1467585keithParticipant
When I’m on a plane I go to the back and ask a flight attendant if I can take a few minutes to pray and please let me know if it’s a bad time I’ll do it elsewhere. They’ve always been very kind and eager to help. I believe you can daven Shemona Esrei seated if necessary. I had to look up if I could do it as a passenger in a car and found sources it is OK if necessary. I wear yarmulke and tzitzis out only on weekends, not for work. I go to the gun range, probably the only Jew there, always with yarmulke on and tzitzis out and everyone is very nice to me. I think most Americans are respectful toward people observing their religion, as long as we are not obnoxious about it.
(I am BT and not well educated so take it with a grain of salt.)February 13, 2018 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm #1467898Avram in MDParticipant
When I daven mincha at my office, if possible, I will block out a 15 minute period on the calendar for a small and private meeting room. If I don’t have a reservation, I opt to daven in the break room rather than my cubicle, because people may stop by my cubicle with questions, raising the chance of interruption.
In your case, the lounge might be the best bet, even though it’s probably not a quiet place. If the lounge does not work, I’d speak to a friendly faculty or staff member, or even a security guard. More often than not they are delighted to help, and their solution might be much better than a stairwell. At my first job location, my start time was too early to make shacharis with a minyan. I spoke to a colleague who managed the office IT equipment, and he pointed me to an IT storage room that almost nobody went into except for him. He jokingly called it “the synagogue” after that.February 13, 2018 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #1468495zahavasdadParticipant
One can certainly make a Chilul Hashem when praying.
A simple example is , during takeoff on a plane when the passengers are supposed to be sitting down buckled in, you get up and start davening (Praying in yout seat is permitted in this circumstance according to most opinions)
Ive seen people on a plane pray in front of the bathroom and thereby blocking the bathroom for people to useFebruary 13, 2018 3:58 pm at 3:58 pm #1468626HaLeiViParticipant
From now on just carry with you a Muslim rug. Just put it down in the gutter and nobody will bother you.February 15, 2018 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #1470283iacisrmmaParticipant
Years ago phone booths were available.February 15, 2018 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1470343BaltimoreMavenParticipant
I was on a plane and a “minyan” of Yidden actually blocked people who were IN the bathrooms from leaving. Huge chillul Hashem. Oh – they were frum women in the bathroom!July 19, 2018 7:28 am at 7:28 am #1561402☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
That’s not the intended use of a phone booth.July 19, 2018 7:29 am at 7:29 am #1561395jew boy2Participant
The halacha is that if someone or something is disturbing you in middle of shmone esrei, you may walk away…July 19, 2018 10:14 am at 10:14 am #1561427cherrybimParticipant
One should always daven at his seat while on a plane.
You can apply this rule to other situations as well.July 19, 2018 1:54 pm at 1:54 pm #1561615JosephParticipant
cherrybim: As I’ve mentioned to you ten years ago, Rav Chaim Pinchus Scheinberg always davened with a minyan when flying on a plane.July 19, 2018 3:06 pm at 3:06 pm #1561654TalmidchochomParticipant
the most classic example? Coming to shul late. Plain and simple. If you had a business meeting you would not walk in 45 minute3s late. I see this disturbing behavior each and every Shabbos morning.
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