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  • #2089254
    Loshenhora
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    Can one call themselves a chasid
    if he is fist fighting another Yid in
    the streets of Jerusalem ?

    #2089285
    n0mesorah
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    He can call himself anything. The question is what the Torah thinks of him.

    #2089289
    akuperma
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    What are they fighting over?
    A parking space?
    or something pertaining to Torah and Mitsvos and the welfare of Klal Yisrael

    #2089291
    ujm
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    Can one call himself frum if he says motzi shem ra or loshon hora?

    #2089306
    ☕️coffee addict
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    Well the tzaddikim of shevet Yehuda fought benyamin after pilegesh b’givah

    It depends why someone is fighting with someone else

    אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע במקומו

    #2089308
    Gadolhadorah
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    Depends on which chassidus he identifies with and what the fight was about. If a chassid of Rebbe A walks around with a sign outside Rebbe B’s beis medrash claiming that Rebbe B’s chassidim will never be allowed entry into olam habah, Rebbe B’s chassidim might feel justified in punching the guy with the sign. That doesn’t mean they can no longer claim to be “chassidim” (albeit chassidim sitting in jail awaiting trial on assault charges). Some may recall when the chassidim of a certain Rebbe A had frequent violent “encounters” with the chassidim of Rebbe Z, the brother of Rebbe A, both of whom claimed to be the rightful successor to their father, Rebbe M. I don’t recall either side ever being dismissed as misnagdim.

    #2089312
    Loshenhora
    Participant

    Suppose you are correct
    What does the Torah say
    Me thinks it says only his death is
    Mechaper for chilul Hashem

    As far as al todin
    It also says
    Hever DON

    #2089314
    Loshenhora
    Participant

    When it’s all over the press
    Like it is today
    It’s called a shame and disgrace
    Every argument has a right and a wrong for the first
    Few minutes then both sides are wrong

    #2089348
    Loshenhora
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    We expect this behaviour from
    Opposing football teams
    And even they are expelled from the stadiums
    If they are caught

    #2089384
    Kuvult
    Participant

    As my history teacher put it (nicely), “The Rebbes never played well with each other.” If Rebbe A sees Rebbe B “stealing” his Chasidim, you better believe he’s going to react.

    #2089396
    n0mesorah
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    It’s not just fighting. It’s chillul Shabbos as well.

    #2089475
    CHOOSID
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    THE CHOOSID IS FIGHTING AN ISRAELI BUT THE ISRAELI IS FIGHTING HASHEM!!!!!!!!!!!1
    The Brisker Rav’s explanation for why Iyov was punished with physical torment for remaining silent when Pharaoh asked his advice on dealing with the Jews: Iyov the Rav explained could readily have justified his silence with the claim that a defense of the Jews would have fallen on deaf ears. Hence the parallelism of the punishment with its implicit message for Iyov: When one suffers from pain crying out helps not a whit to remove the source of the pain but one cries out nonetheless because “az s’tut vay shreit mehn” (when it hurts one screams). WHEN YIDDEN DO AVEIROS AND YOU DONT SCREAM THATS A CHILLUL HASHEM!!!!!

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