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I see some websites and stores offer ready made Mishloach Manos in china or glass dishes, with food directly on them (candy and nuts with no wrappers).
Do they toivel each dish before use?
No. Even if they did it wouldn’t help as it is not yet in possesion of the end user.
I was told by a rov that if I am giving a new dish with food as a gift that I should put the food on a layer of paper or plastic.
As always, all halacha li’maseh shailos should be directed to a qualified possek, not to put the YWCR.
Once the gift is yours, it is your obligation to toivel it. Just as if you bought a gift in the store, do you usually toivel for the other person?
It is claearly written in the halacha that putting a food into/onto a dish /cup/tray/platter etc which were not toveled does NOT cause the food to be forbidden to eat.
There is a mistake among many (probably resulting from the halacha mentioned above)that one may use something one time before doing tevilah. This is not so!! If the food is ALREADY in the dish it may be eaten – no difference if the first time or any time afterward- but it is forbidden to use a dish even once before tevila.
A dish which is used generally only once and then disposed of, or something not generally used for food use, ex: cutting food with a utility knife, then no tevila is needed.
Concerning dishes not used by the original owner or things packaged for selling, there is a machlokes who is obligated to tovel it as stated above.
I was given the idea by a posek, when I want to give a dish tray etc. for a gift, I should tovel it and put a small amount of clean dry) food on it FOR MY OWN USE, and then wrap and give the gift. (This won’t work for dish(es)given in original wrappings, or for a large set of dishes which is not practical to “use” every piece).
Reminder: If one DID tovel a dish before giving away, the sender should notify the receipient that it was toveled so as not to cause a brocho levatala when it will be toveled again.
PS Glass needs tevila with a brocho, concerning china dishes there is a question in Halacha, (also different types may have different halacha), and therefore they should be toveled together with other things which need a brocho or toveled w/o saying a brocho.
The rav came up with a brilliant solution: In my case, it was a set of six glasses. He said I should (with permission of the store owner), switch each one the glasses in the toveled set with one of the glasses in another set. That way, anyone buying any set will have a majority of glasses which need tevilla and thus will not make a brocho levatala when toveling them.
There is no problem here of bitul issur lechatchila since there is no issur to tovel a dish which was already toveled, and although it is ossur to make a brocho when doing so, but this would not be called an issur on the item, just a general issur of brocho levatolo.
A question could be asked in an opposite case, where one had a majority of kelim which WERE already toveled and he intentionally mixed in one which was not yet toveled, would this be called mevatel issur lechatchila?
On the other hand, the bitul would not work to permit the use of the Keilim w/o tevilla. This is based on the Oneg Yomtov who writes that if tzitzis that were not made lishmo got mixed up with a rov of tzitis that were made lishmo, the non-lishmo tzizis would not be butel, since bitul only works for ISSUR to make it muttar, but CANNOT add a POSITIVE status to something, Therefore the non lishmo tzitis could not get the status of lishmo through bitul.
The same would be with keilim which were not toveled, since as we said before, the need for tevila is not an issur but a mitzvah, the non toveled dishes could not get a toveled status through bitul.
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One of the Chevra Just who are you trying to impress?
For those who are Rav communication impaired
Concerning dishes not used by the original owner or things packaged for selling, there is a machlokes who is obligated to tovel it as stated above.
I was given the idea by a posek, when I want to give a dish tray etc. for a gift, I should tovel it and put a small amount of clean dry) food on it FOR MY OWN USE, and then wrap and give the gift. (This won’t work for dish(es)given in original wrappings, or for a large set of dishes which is not practical to “use” every piece).
IMHO Too technical for someone who is Rav communication impaired
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Im curious what places like Oh Nuts does
Their business is selling nuts, candy etc & not render Halachic advice
It seems most likely that when giving a gift of a glass dish with candy on it, the giver would have to toivel it first. Although when giving a plain dish, we would follow the shittah that it’s considered a “kli sechorah” rather than a “kli seudah”, in this case, by putting the candy on the dish, the giver is using it for food. As one poster noted above, there is no heter to use a vessel once; that is most likely an error which cropped up because some confused it with disposable untensils.
Simply lining the dish with paper would not help; to avoid the tevilah requirement, it would need to be placed in something which could hold the candy on its own.
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