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  • July 23, 2012 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #604236
    SayIDidIt™
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    I noticed this term being thrown around on the CR for the most stupidest things. What’s up with it?

    (And can guess that someone is going to say that “What’s up with it” is also Chukas Hagoyim!!)

    SiDi™

    July 23, 2012 4:56 pm at 4:56 pm #886745
    crisisoftheweek
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    Chuckas Hagoyim

    Basically..when a trend or activity that does not violate halacha but just looks too fun or modern

    It is then branded as Chuckas HaGoyim

    July 23, 2012 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #886746
    yeshivishsocrates
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    As is clear from the depth, poignancy and accuracy of your response, it was based on a solid foundation of halacha and an in depth understanding of Jewish mentality.

    Reb Moshe Feinstein (you may have heard of him, he was a small posek in America a few years ago (!)) wrote a psak on a very similar question. He defined Chukas Hagoyim as somehting which is done exclusively by gentiles and something, the motivation for which, is purely to conform with the trend. “Fun” or “Modern” are not criteria by which we outlaw behaviours.

    July 23, 2012 5:30 pm at 5:30 pm #886747
    yeshivishsocrates
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    As is clear from the depth, poignancy and accuracy of your response, it was based on a solid foundation of halacha and an in depth understanding of Jewish mentality.

    Reb Moshe Feinstein (you may have heard of him, he was a small posek in America a few years ago (!)) wrote a psak on a very similar question. He defined Chukas Hagoyim as somehting which is done exclusively by gentiles and something, the motivation for which, is purely to conform with the trend. “Fun” or “Modern” are not criteria by which we outlaw behaviours.

    July 23, 2012 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #886748
    Mayan_Dvash
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    With all due respect, Rav Moshe was most likely quoting a Gemara in Sanhedrin, I believe…

    ;

    July 23, 2012 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm #886749
    yeshivishsocrates
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    I thought a psak halacha would be more accepted than a gemmorah by which we dont necessarily pasken. However, i stand corrected, i should have written the original source too.

    July 23, 2012 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #886750
    Sam2
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    See YD 177 (if I recall correctly) and the Be’ur Hagra S”K 3, also if I recall correctly.

    July 23, 2012 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm #886751
    SayIDidIt™
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    I think crisisoftheweek was saying the same thing as me. S/He was defining Chukas Hagoyim like some people on the CR seem to define it. Anything that hints of fun or modern is labeled Chukas Hagoyim and “As’sured”! And that is what this thread is about. “Tailgating” is not Chukas Hagoyim! Just because Goyim do it doesn’t make it Chukas Hagoyim! Goyim eat, sleep, walk and talk. Maybe those are also Chukas Hagoyim? Or explain to me this post:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/are-these-young-women-nuts-selfish-out-of-it-or-something-else#post-367174

    July 23, 2012 8:12 pm at 8:12 pm #886752
    SayIDidIt™
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    I am three years late on this topic. See here:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chivalry-038-yiddishkeit-a-foreign-concept#post-42739

    SiDi™

    July 23, 2012 8:41 pm at 8:41 pm #886753
    simcha613
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    I heard a shiur a long time ago, so I don’t remember who said what- but I think it’s a machlokes- is it something that the Goyim do that’s based on something idolatrous? Or is it anything that the Goyim do that wouldn’t have been done in a shielded Jewish community? Nafka minos could be a male wearing a wedding ring or a momenet of silence after a tragedy. I think we (at least Ashkenazim) paskin like the former.

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