Citifield Asifa After-Thought by R' Reisman
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June 1, 2012 1:35 pm at 1:35 pm #603641BaalHaboozeParticipant
A transcript from a shiur delivered by Rav Yisroel Reisman Shlita, May 24 2012 regarding the Citi Field Asifa.
I would like to talk to you about something that is very much on my mind. It is not a Dvar Torah. It is just to share with you a thought. This past Sunday there was an internet Asifa in Citifield. The Asifa was an awesome Maimud an awesome gathering. It also had a rather disappointing program. 2 things, an awesome Maimud and a disappointing program. What did each individual walk away with? I have found that the Bnei Torah, the Lakewood crowd walked away with an awesome gathering. They walked away uplifted, they walked away with an understanding that you need filters, and you need good filters. I think that it is fair to say from the little anecdotal information I have that the overwhelming majority of homes in Lakewood that have the internet, the overwhelming majority are filtered.
It causes me a lot of pain. It causes me a lot of Tzar. I hope that these few words will somehow help the situation.
With that I would like to wish everybody a Gevaldige Shabbos, a Simchas Yom Tov, a Kabbalas Hatorah, and hopefully we should continue to grow to move upwards in our Avodas Hashem.June 1, 2012 5:27 pm at 5:27 pm #877800
Is he aware you posted it on the INTERNET???June 1, 2012 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm #877801midwesternerParticipant
BYG: Did you read it? No where does he say that the internet is chzaer treif to be avoided. He says make sure to watch your kids, and to filter properly.June 1, 2012 8:55 pm at 8:55 pm #877802dash™Participant
Is he aware you posted it on the INTERNET???
Do you think he would object?June 1, 2012 10:32 pm at 10:32 pm #877803Sam2Participant
He makes a great point. Even if one was disappointed with the Asifa that doesn’t lessen the dangers of the internet.June 3, 2012 5:27 am at 5:27 am #877804
dash- he might! permission should be asked first before posting something someone else said on a public forum!June 3, 2012 7:49 am at 7:49 am #877805dash™Participant
dash- he might! permission should be asked first before posting something someone else said on a public forum!
If that was your point you wouldn’t have written “INTERNET”.June 3, 2012 11:34 am at 11:34 am #877806apushatayidParticipant
“Is he aware you posted it on the INTERNET???”
. Would his message have been different if he was aware it was being posted online?
. Is your concern one of a public forum or the internet specifically? The capital and bold letters are yours, noone elses.June 3, 2012 11:40 am at 11:40 am #877807☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
He said it in a public forum.June 3, 2012 12:46 pm at 12:46 pm #877808NechomahParticipant
I don’t know what is the problem with this article being on the INTERNET??? He says to make sure the internet is filtered, that this is the base level of concern we have to show for our children. He says nothing about the internet being chazer treif. I would imagine that most filters would allow this site to be accessed. What’s your point? AJune 3, 2012 1:14 pm at 1:14 pm #877809jewish sourceParticipant
TORAH odes not need permission to disseminate. Thank you for this post .Its pure daas Torah I have gotten the same answer From another Flatbush Rov.June 3, 2012 1:41 pm at 1:41 pm #877810147Participant
He acknowledged the unbelievable Chutzpoh of the organizers of the Asifa to have delivered so many speeches in an archaic language, and not in English, the language of the land.June 3, 2012 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #877811mythoughtsParticipant
I’m still waiting for someone to tell me precisely which speaker at the asifa said it was ok for people to have filtered internet at home. Filtered internet should be for business only, period. That is the psak of our gedolim. Rabbi Reisman is wrong.June 3, 2012 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm #877812
1st of all I am not saying the internet is wrong! i am on it aren’t I? I’m not one of those hypocryte people who are really against it_ even with a filter (see other threads) and yet they are still posting_ and condeming the rest of us-
nechomah- actually no- most filters do not allow it- as it falls under the category of blog!- one would have to allow it manually-
my point was more think before you post- because you don’t no who or what is reading it- sorry about the bold! there was something wrong with my comp- it had a mind of its own- i origanlly meant for it to be a joke- cuz come on! all these threads about internet and whether its good or bad! while your on the internet!!! i thought i wrote lol at the end- sry i just reread it- and like i said my computer has a mind of its own! and yes- one should ask before posting someone elses words! even if it was said in a public forum- I think its common curtesy! i also did not realize that there was a “printed” version of the shuir- in that case- I am sorry- you are right!- in that case no permission was needed! and yes there is a difference between written and spoken- certain ideas come across differently when they are heard rather then read- and it could make a world of a difference-June 3, 2012 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #877813☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Your opinion is reprehensible, and your false attribution of that opinion to Rabbi Reisman is even more reprehensible.June 3, 2012 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #877814PatriMember
147: No he did not. He pointed out the excuses some attendees used to ignore the message of gedolei yisroel.June 3, 2012 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #877815
And the message of the gedolei yisroel was? even they couldn’t agree on what the “psak” should have been.
besides for the fact that this is hardly qualifies as a psak for the Jewish people. Not to mention the fact that the reason anyone has a mechayev to listen to the “psak” is because ……..June 3, 2012 9:48 pm at 9:48 pm #877816
Not to mention the fact that the reason anyone has a mechayev to listen to the “psak” is because ……..
They are right?
If the psak was everyone should have good filters (which it seems to be what R Reisman thinks) then there is a point, I don’t see a reason why any Jew that wants to do the ratzon Hashem doesn’t have a filterJune 3, 2012 10:58 pm at 10:58 pm #877817
@Coffee addict. If that was the p’sak, then common sense dictates that one uses a filter (And better yet, monitoring software, which although not a guard against initial exposure, will most likely prevent extended exposure) and that is not what I was referring to.
The way I understand that most people understood the psak is that all internet use in the home is assur, and for business is a b’dieved.June 3, 2012 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #877818
@He who must not be named
That was how I understood it too when I was at the Asifa (the tennis court, which didn’t have subtitles) the Hamodia understood otherwiseJune 3, 2012 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #877819
@coffee addict … so where does that leave all of us?June 4, 2012 12:36 am at 12:36 am #877821
@ he who must not be name
basically im understanding
GET A FILTERJune 4, 2012 12:50 am at 12:50 am #877822
so we’re good then 🙂
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