June 3, 2020 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1867757
He was a human being. Just like me and you. The police did not respect him as one. It is an assault on the concept of humanity. Stand with people, or with the Satan. No reason to complicate the issue.June 3, 2020 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #1867759
Not that it makes a difference, but I don’t think anyone know if Floyd knew the twenty was fake.June 3, 2020 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1867772🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Dmb- oh man, its wonderful how you can assume the best about someone but repeatedly bending over backwards to turn him into a choirboy is embarrassing .June 3, 2020 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1867773🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
No- drama much?June 4, 2020 6:40 am at 6:40 am #1867832
nOmesorah – “Stand with people, or with the Satan. No reason to complicate the issue.”
Did you march against the killings of Jews in Jersey City & in Pohway?
If Not, Stand with people or with Satan.
No reason to complicate the issue.June 4, 2020 11:05 am at 11:05 am #1867890
All I’m trying to say is, that at that point the cops had no idea he ever committed a crime. All they knew was that he was drunk.June 4, 2020 11:48 am at 11:48 am #1867896June 4, 2020 11:52 am at 11:52 am #1867898
Yeah. Way too much drama. I think we morally agree. Everyone reacts differently. The drama is to clarify the point of the dialogue. We could disagree on a lot of the other factors.June 4, 2020 11:53 am at 11:53 am #1867899
No, I did not. That is the point. There are different ways to react. All agree that dignity is the underpinning of society. Disregard others dignity and risk all kind of societal ills. We can bow our heads, and pour our hearts to Hashem. We do not have to protest. But we must acknowledge that every human deserves to be treated with respect.
P. S. There is an EXTREME liberal school of thought that humans have no right to dignity. That all of civilization was built despite human dignity. And, if humans would behave like animals we would be far more advanced. If you subscribe to this school, I did not intend to engage you.June 4, 2020 1:52 pm at 1:52 pm #1867994
nOmesorah -“There is an EXTREME liberal school of thought that humans have no right to dignity. That all of civilization was built despite human dignity. And, if humans would behave like animals we would be far more advanced.”
It’s obvious that the Looters & their supporters believe that.
Do you?June 5, 2020 12:20 pm at 12:20 pm #1868349
It is intrinsic that looters are not engaging their moral compass. I am unaware of any supporters. Kindly point them out to me. If you are supporting them based on the aforementioned liberal ideas, kindly do not respond.June 5, 2020 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #1868405
nOmesorah -” I am unaware of any supporters.”
B. Sanders tweeted this:
“The looting of America has been going on for over 40 years—and the culprits are the ultra-rich.”
Do you think it’s Equal?!?
People say Sanders is a Commy. He’s much worse than THAT.
Obviously he doesn’t Believe in the Rule of Law!June 5, 2020 4:14 pm at 4:14 pm #1868417SchnitzelBigotParticipant
Socialists generally believe that violence against the rich is justified (pew research poll). I am not getting it why people are surprised with this.June 5, 2020 4:34 pm at 4:34 pm #1868422
Sanders is a kook, and he simply believes that our laws are immoral. The only thing he is is a commie. That means that if you have twice as much money as me, you owe me 25% of your wealth in order to make us even. So in his mind the looters aren’t stealing, they’re just taking what’s rightfully theirs.
So if he’s the only supporter then the looters don’t really have any support.June 5, 2020 5:49 pm at 5:49 pm #1868446
DMB -“The only thing he is is a commie.”
NO, He’s Not. In Communist Countries they have laws. You just can’t take something even if you believe it’s Yours!
So he believes in Anarchy or something much Worse.
He was almost the Democratic Candidate.
I think this is what is behind all the Demonstrations about Mr. Floyd!June 8, 2020 11:25 am at 11:25 am #1869105
I agreed with your take on not silencing anyone here. I was pointing out that Doing was saying to ignore the basis for Health’s opinion as opposed to the extreme opinion. People do not always share the real reasons for their opinions.June 8, 2020 11:27 am at 11:27 am #1869113
Woops wrong thread.June 8, 2020 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #18691912scentsParticipant
“Yeah. Way too much drama. I think we morally agree. Everyone reacts differently. The drama is to clarify the point of the dialogue. We could disagree on a lot of the other factors.”
Well said, we all (most of us) agree that racism is bad, police brutality against anyone is bad and that no one, regardless of if they committed a crime or not should be killed (unless they are an immediate threat to other people).June 8, 2020 10:14 pm at 10:14 pm #1869402JosephParticipant
Even the non-violent protesters at the BLM protests across the country should be arrested for engaging in civil disobedience when they block roads, streets or even congregate without a protest permit.
No less than if any other group, at other times, engage in an unauthorized protest blocking traffic, streets, etc.June 8, 2020 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #1869411JosephParticipant
Non-violent protesters who engage in civil disobedience, breaking the law by blocking vehicular traffic, streets or even congregating in protest without a permit and refuse to comply with a lawful order by law enforcement to disperse, should be arrested.
No more or less today than any other time, or any other groups, would similarly be arrested for illegally inhibiting law abiding citizens from going about their daily business driving, walking, etc.
There is a legal process to obtain a permit to protest by blocking public arenas. Doing so without authorization is illegal and would result in anarchy if any person or group could hijack the streets, at any time of their choosing. And the normal response to such law breaking, even if “merely” civil disobedience, has always been, and rightfully remains, to arrest those interfering with the public access without authorization.June 9, 2020 8:16 am at 8:16 am #1869466
Also, arrest every person driving 5 miles over the limit. Or without a seatbelt. Tylenol in a drug free zone. Marijuana anywhere. Jay walking. Loitering. Spitting.
Or, we could do better with our resources.June 9, 2020 8:18 am at 8:18 am #1869469
This is exceptionally convoluted! I said the issue is humanity. (Not just race.) You asked if I protested. I didn’t as humanity consist of different groups. (And different responses.) I added that it is understood that someone else’s dignity is our dignity. I noted one liberal exception. You brought up the beliefs of the looters and their supporters. (I do not believe it. It is Satanism.) My response was that people do not steal out of belief. I asked who is supporting them. You pointed to a tweet from Sanders. Then, “commie + worse than that = doesn’t believe in rule of law”.
I would guess you believe in rule of law. That would require a broad foundation of what being human entails. Which requires upholding human dignity as it’s cornerstone. So, we agree on the first part, Yet, you seem to think everyone else’s standard of dignity is relevant. (The looters beliefs.) I do not. We disagree.
Then, you point out support for their belief. (He did not condone theft. If he could speak coherently, maybe he could be a politician.) I’m not sure what you mean when you say someone who wants the government to regulate everything, does not believe in rule of law.
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