August 30, 2020 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm #1897021
Is America headed towards a civil war? And if so who will be the 2 sides fighting will it be whites vs non-whites,
Dems vs Republican, liberal vs right wing, blm vs police etc? What will happen in case a war breaks out? Will there be chaos In all neighborhoods? Will the army be able to contain the situation and stop it? You can see what’s happening in Portland and many other cities which is absolute insanity.August 30, 2020 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1897029GadolhadorahParticipant
The Trumpkopf will do all he can to frighten the sheeplach to believe that there will be a “civil war” unless he is reelected in November and that only he can prevent total anarchy. In reality, he is the source of much of the anarchy and his likely defeat in November will restore some semblance of “normality” in our country.August 30, 2020 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1897030akupermaParticipant
It would be very hard to have a civil war. For starters, the state militias are all Federally run, and include a handful of volunteers (most of whom are more likely to be red than blue); in 1861 the militias included most able-bodied free white males and were totally equipped and trained by states.
The economy is totally integrated. Without the “red” states, the bi-coastal regions would starve (you do really that almost all food eaten in Brooklyn is grown elsewhere); in 1861 most food was produced locally.
Also, most red states have large pockets of blue, and vice versa. In 1861, virtually no one in the north favored the south (a “dove” simply wanted to let them go), though many if not most southerners favored the union, a factor which crippled their war effort.
One might have to deal with domestic terrorism. For example, if the Democrats try to prohibit parents from giving a religious upbringing to their children (in the best interests of the child), it would probably lead to violence, but not a full war (think of Northern Ireland’s “troubles” or Lebanon as it normally is).August 30, 2020 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1897035
Yes dems want one. Never let a crisis go to waste they way. Make aliyah if you can. And once it’s split other countries will fight America. They are going the way of Rome.August 30, 2020 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #1897036
It’ll be a class war.August 31, 2020 12:06 am at 12:06 am #1897068
GH -“and his likely defeat in November will restore some semblance of “normality” in our country.”
Mr. Lib – Keep Dreaming!
Even CNN is saying that Trump could win.
As a matter of fact, Don Lemon is begging Biden to stop hiding.
The Truth is Trump will probably do better than he did Against Clinton!August 31, 2020 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1897074
@akuperma- well say it isn’t officially declared a war. And it wouldn’t necessarily be between red and blue states so goods and food wouldn’t be an issue. In this civil war I was mostly thinking of the probability of in-state and in-city fighting between 2 groups. Blm,antifa,Dems,libs,left vs anyone who is Trump,police,right wing,religious, conservative. In a way it would be harder to stop such a war since it would be in-fighting in most major states and cities as we are seeing now in Portland,Wisconsin, Seattle and even a little in NYC or any major city for that matter.
And gadolhadora what on earth are you talking about. It’s the Dems who will have you believe this is all caused by Trump since it’s part of their agenda to get votes. They even keep threatening that riots will continue as long as they don’t get their way. Except it all backfired on them and many Dems and news anchors have said the riots should stop since it’s affecting their votes. So what does that tell you? If anything Trump will gain more votes from so many people who are waking up to the situation and reality. Dems really messed up on this one.
Besides how is it trumps fault? It all started with police against criminals and has nothing to do with Trump. And ever since the one black man was killed, blacks have killed more blacks than ever police have. So what’s the logic here.August 31, 2020 1:26 am at 1:26 am #1897081
The Columbia Record Fan Club versus the Original Members of The Shaw Checkers Club. No doubt about it. The country would be completely razed before these two make peace.August 31, 2020 11:22 am at 11:22 am #1897026commonsaychelParticipant
Remember Der Abister fert der veltAugust 31, 2020 11:45 am at 11:45 am #1897232kollelmanParticipant
The civil war has already begun. Contrary to what the FakeNews MSM will tell you, Trump supporters are being hunted down, not Black people. And cops aren’t doing the hunting, it’s psycho leftist ANTIFA rioters (no they aren’t peaceful protestors). A man was killed in Portland this weekend, just for his support of police. He was chased down by a mob and shot for absolutely no reason other than his support of the police and President Trump. Make no mistake about it, this doesn’t end well, especially for Jews.August 31, 2020 12:02 pm at 12:02 pm #1897238☕️coffee addictParticipant
Hands up don’t shoot (what started blm) happened under Obama
But keep on thinking that trump manufactured itAugust 31, 2020 1:11 pm at 1:11 pm #1897255GadolhadorahParticipant
CA: From your prior postings, I know you have the historical perspective to realize that the underlying concerns of the BLM movement didn’t start with Trump, Obama, Bush etc. but date back decades. Obama failed to establish a clear program to address inequities in the criminal justice system and there is some legitimacy to the argument that Biden’s criminal justice bill in the 1990s was also a contributing factor. However, its my belief, perhaps shared by a few others here, that Trump has done more than any other President to deliberately fan the flames of racial hatred and enable white supremacy than any other President in history.August 31, 2020 2:04 pm at 2:04 pm #1897264kollelmanParticipant
There is no white supremacy. It’s all propaganda. Nobody is holding black people down. Trump definitely has nothing to do with it. What is true however, is the media fanning a race war that the extreme fringes of white supremacists could have only dreamed of.August 31, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1897265
GH -“However, its my belief, perhaps shared by a few others here, that Trump has done more than any other President to deliberately fan the flames of racial hatred and enable white supremacy than any other President in history.”
Your TDS is getting Much Worse.
I’m Not going to argue your Stupidity, but I’m just Curious – do you think Trump is for Slavery?
If Not, then how could he Worse than Every Pres. before Lincoln?!?August 31, 2020 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1897266
Kollelman”Make no mistake about it, this doesn’t end well, especially for Jews.”
-its a chilling statement. And we know it always ends up with the Jews. What do we do then? Is it time to leave America?August 31, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1897272🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Are frum jews having it better in e”y?August 31, 2020 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1897280
Syag maybe not in gashmiyus but it’s our land.August 31, 2020 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1897282akupermaParticipant
Rightwriter: Civil War similar to the United States in the 1860s, Spain in the 1930s, Russia after 1918 or Britain in the mid-17th century —- VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE
Instead think of Northern Ireland in the late 20th century, Lebanon since the 1950s, Palestine prior to 1947 (going back to the 1920s).August 31, 2020 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #1897279
GH obama encouraged entitled millenials to destroy zuccati park. It snowballed from there. BLM isn’t a black movement, it’s a communist movement.August 31, 2020 4:18 pm at 4:18 pm #1897323☕️coffee addictParticipant
“CA: From your prior postings, I know you have the historical perspective to realize that the underlying concerns of the BLM movement didn’t start with Trump, Obama, Bush etc. but date back decades.“
I appreciate the compliment and would like to point out that the reason it had been around for decades (IMO) is due to the education system and family life of Africa in Americans which was perpetrated mostly by democratic policies
“However, its my belief, perhaps shared by a few others here, that Trump has done more than any other President to deliberately fan the flames of racial hatred and enable white supremacy than any other President in history.“
That’s basically the Democrats on this site’s belief so your point is……August 31, 2020 7:59 pm at 7:59 pm #1897392
So we are in the midst of a Civil War in America. It will likely only get worse after the Election no matter who wins. Obviously its a matter of time once they turn on the Jews as we already hear them chanting free palestine (whatever that place is) and painting graffiti on shuls. What are we to do? Not to spread fear im just asking a serious question since we need to know what to do before things happen. Some people say “oh stop worrying, only worry if something happens”. Such stupidity, wait till its too late?! Honestly is it time to consider getting out of America? Obviously Israel is not ideal in present time(so please dont comment saying Israel is worse we get it), but what other choice do we have? People have been leaving New York City in droves and still are, and many Jews even leaving America totally. Seems to be a serious situation we are in. Any opinions?August 31, 2020 8:52 pm at 8:52 pm #1897398
If staying in the united States or moving to Israel are not the right choice to do at this point and time then perhaps think about these other choices.
From the ruchnius spiritual perspective;
Ever thought about davening straight from your heart directly to Hashem and begging Hashem for Mashiach or to remove the decree of destroying this beautiful Medina Shel chessed of the USA? Hashem can change the decree in a split second and anything is possible to happen. As an example in the days of Noach Hashem DIDN’T promise Noach he would never destroy the world again chas vshalom he promised he wouldn’t destroy it with a flood like in the days of Noach and that was the treaty and promise Hashem made to Noach. But anything is possible for Hashem to do at any given moment. Hashem has the power to bring Mashiach on Shabbos it’s just not allowed. You have to realize that everything is possible but some are simply just not allowed
From a physical perspective:
Ever thought of moving to Canada or London both of which are different countries and have thriving jewish communities with possibly over a million jews in some of these countries. In these countries there are many jewish locations. In Canada you have Toronto and Montreal etc…. Or do you think Canada is next door to the USA and will also be affected with this civil war chas vshalom?
There are also other countries I didn’t mention above with thriving jewish communities that a person can move to and have a beautiful frum jewish life with their family as open frum yidden
May Hashem help you and everyone make the right decisionAugust 31, 2020 8:54 pm at 8:54 pm #1897399
Definitely look out of NYC. There are some holy jews in lakewood and monsey that should help protect us.September 1, 2020 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1897602
Sam klein, London or canada? Those in particular suffer from anti semitism. Besides, if there would be anti semitism in the U.S., do you think other countries would hold back? It would likely be global since it already is an issue in many other countries. America is pretty much the only country still being contained.September 1, 2020 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #1897691
So how come I boruch Hashem hardly ever hear of anti semitism stories and cases happening in these countries? Or about the anti semitism getting worse in those countries? I read the news tooSeptember 1, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1897746PekakParticipant
BLM started under the Obama Administration with Obama as a founding member. If he had condemned the original riots in Ferguson the US would be in a much better position today and not heading towards that very dangerous possibility.September 1, 2020 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #1897760
We are not in the midst of a civil war in America. Try Cameroon, Yemen, Myanmar, Mozambique, Syria, Sudan, Somalia,and a dozen others. Violence in America is significantly up. So what?
Oh right! The average american is talking about inner city violence because it is all over the news. Let us all panic about something that has been going on all our lives. Thanks for the life altering advice.September 1, 2020 11:02 pm at 11:02 pm #1897759
If I recall #BLM started over George Zimmerman’s acquittal. Which was a year before the Ferguson unrest.
“Burning buildings, torching cars, destroying property, putting people at risk – that’s destructive, and there’s no excuse for it. Those are criminal acts, and people should be prosecuted for it.” – Barack Obama November 25 2014
Anything else?September 1, 2020 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1897781
I think your absolutely right
I think we should all panic this moment at the fact that we have gone through so many years and in those years tons of horrific tragedies and millions of lives lost and Mashiach has still not come. Are you going to tell this is not a reason to wake ourselves up and panic with each asking ourselves is it actually possible that we can still be in golus today after going through so much tzaros in klal yisroel but nothing has ever been bad enough to wake us up as a serious nation together to do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP. Not even the terrible holocaust that cause us over 6,000,000 innocent lives was enough to wake us up to asking ourselves how can we still be living in denial and thinking that everything is just coincidence when in truth it’s just the opposite and we all need to wake up and FACE REALITY ASAP so that Mashiach can come already.
I hope it happens very soon but if we don’t do our hishtadlus and wake up to do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together then there’s no one to blame but ourselves. Mashiach could’ve came such a long time ago if we showed Hashem our yearning and teshuva together for MashiachSeptember 1, 2020 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm #1897776
n0mesorah these protesters were threatening to take it to the suburbs. If you don’t take it seriously it’ll happen in your neighborhoodSeptember 2, 2020 1:43 am at 1:43 am #1897811
1 -“these protesters were threatening to take it to the suburbs. If you don’t take it seriously it’ll happen in your neighborhood”nL
They took it already. Some group decided to Go to Oak Park, IL to demonstrate by the Mayor’s house.
They damaged his property. Because they were having a discussion about Defunding their PD.
I know just like in Medicine – if you don’t Cut out the Whole Tumor it will continue to spread.
The Anarachy is well-rooted already here in the US!
At Least the Sheriffs around the counties, next to Portland, realize this.
They refuse to police Portland because once s/o is arrested the Lib Gov. Doesn’t Prosecute!September 3, 2020 1:39 am at 1:39 am #1898144
I was within a mile of a protest thee times. Nothing to report. There were hundreds of protests across the suburbs in May. I have no problem listening to people’s messages. Nobody has to protest to get my attention.
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