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  • #607978
    Torah613Torah
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    Do you enjoy classical music? Do you play classical music? What composers are your favorites?

    I enjoy Haydn and Mozart most, and cheerful pieces in general. Beethoven is great background music. Wagner makes me tense for some reason (even before I knew he was anti-Semitic.) I can only play simplified versions, but I haven’t practiced in years.

    Leonard Bernstein and Toscanini = the best conductors ever.

    #925002
    ThePurpleOne
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    yannis really nice stuff… verry calming…

    #925003
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    u shud also listen to simon and garfunkle.. dont worry abt anti semitism cuz theyr jewish..

    #925004
    WIY
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    purplicious

    Dont recommend non Jewish music on Yeshivaworld (or elsewhere for that matter).

    #925005
    akuperma
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    1. Choral music raises many shailohs (content, womens voices, words are distracting)

    2. Some classical music has an avodah zarah shailoh (a shailoh, not an objection)

    3. There is the issue (for non-zionists) that we aren’t supposed to be listening to music for enjoyment while in mourning for Yerusalim.

    4. Otherwise, it is certainly prefereable to the usual noises of the “real world” – especially

    when commuting.

    #925006
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    okkkkayyy.. So can anyone recomend some good, classical, JEWISH music?? You don’t mind when t613t says non jewish music..

    #925007
    OneOfMany
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    Bizet, Mussorgsky, Tchaichovsky.

    #925008
    Torah613Torah
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    Purplicious: I really only listen to frum music and classical, so I will only take recommendations from those groups. But someone else should enjoy them. 🙂

    Akuperma: That was very interesting. What is the avoda zara objection?

    #925009
    zahavasdad
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    Felix Mendelsohn was one of the founders of the Haskalah

    #925010
    Torah613Torah
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    OOM, wow, you are really sophisticated!

    #925011
    ThePurpleOne
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    t613t-

    and yanni is classical!! soooo??

    #925012
    Torah613Torah
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    Purplicious: It’s all good. 🙂

    Oh, and I like either really good music without any words, or really good words with just a basic tune. I’ve given up on finding both.

    #925013
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    helooo im so confused whys everyone mad at me abt nonjewish music? and mozarts jewish? and Bizet, Mussorgsky, Tchaichovsky????

    #925014
    nanny
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    My favorites are Handel (water music), Tchaikovsky (nutcracker suite) and Vivaldi (spring).

    My more modern-day favorites are Yanni (one man’s dream) and Yiruma (a river flows in you). (Yanni and Yiruma are very classical-style.)

    I LOVE classical music!! 😀

    #925015
    Torah613Torah
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    Purplicious, no one is mad at you. You gave good suggestions. I just made random comments, as I am apt to do when I am procrastinating and starting new things tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestions and especially for your efforts at clearer writing.

    #925016
    OneOfMany
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    lol you haven’t heard the rest of my preferences in music. I don’t think TBMG can possibly be called sophisticated… ^_^

    #925017
    ThePurpleOne
    Member

    hey dont say that now cuz i stopped when oom is concerned abt squashing my personality.. can u pls explain this to me? ur mad at me cuz i sed non jewish classical music and then e/o else says it and ur perfectly ok? pls explain urslef..

    #925018
    OneOfMany
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    purplicious: They can express their opinions, but you can still recommend what you like. The mods will decide if it is appropriate for YWN.

    #925019
    Torah613Torah
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    P – From now on B”N I’m only responding to posts that I can read without getting a headache.

    #925020
    OneOfMany
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    Hey – you were able to read THIS, remember? 😛

    #925021
    Torah613Torah
    Participant

    OOM: Sorry, not sure what you’re referring to?

    #925022
    OneOfMany
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    #925023
    KeenObserver
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    zahavasdad writes: “Felix Mendelssohn was one of the founders of the Haskalah”

    No, you are thinking of his controversial grandfather, Moses Mendelssohn. Felix Mendelssohn was baptized as a Christian by his parents (both of whom were born Jewish, of course), and practiced Christianity throughout his life.

    #925024
    Torah613Torah
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    OOM: Oops! I didn’t realize THIS was a link. How do you remember posts like that??? Impressive ability.

    I did, but if you posted like that all the time, it would be a different story. 🙂

    #925025
    ShiraTobala
    Member

    love it!! most beautiful thing ive heard!! lol!

    #925026
    OneOfMany
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    eheheh thanks. 🙂

    Okay, to each their own. 😛

    #925027
    golfer
    Participant

    Edvard Grieg

    Now that’s entertainment!

    #925028
    OneOfMany
    Participant

    oh and I like Ludovico Einaudi.

    #925029
    em0616
    Member

    Chopin, Franz Liszt, Ravel, Schubert, Schumann, Christian Sinding, and Rachmaninov are my favorite composers!

    #925030
    HaLeiVi
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    Reb Moshe, among many other Gedolim, listened to classical music. To quote a recuperating priest, “If it’s good enough for Rabbi Feinstein it’s good enough for me.”

    #925031
    OneOfMany
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    and also Yo-Yo Ma.

    #925032
    Loyal Jew
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    It is all tainted with church origins and to know it well requires huge bittul Torah and bittul zman. The Mechaber had it right.

    #925033
    ari-free
    Participant

    Modzitz of course. 🙂

    If you can use youtube, you can look up “Modzitz Concert 1.avi ” for an hour long concert by the Israeli Philharmonic

    #925034
    HaKatan
    Participant

    Rav Moshe did not listen to Yanni, though. Yanni is “New Age”, not Classical. Although both are (mostly) instrumental, there is a big difference between the two.

    This has been discussed before in a thread about non-Jewish music, IIRC, but music is an expression of the singer’s neshama and it goes straight to the listener’s neshama. From what I’ve heard, and with all due respect to this artist, a frum Jew should not have any soul-to-soul connection with Yanni’s soul.

    I do understand that Mozart, Bach, et al. were not tzadikei yesodei olam either, but if classical is good enough for Rav Moshe then I can certainly understand that. But not to extrapolate that to therefore cover any instrumental music. No.

    Given the terrible general yeridas hadoros among the umos, particularly in the past 60 years or so, it is especially unwise to listen to non-Jewish music made during this time, and only worse so the more recent it is.

    #925035
    just my hapence
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    akuperma – On a few of your points… Point 2), whilst it is technically true, the ‘some’ you mention is a miuta d’miuta. Pretty much everything written after 1550 or so (generally regarded as the beginning of the Classical era) is completely secular in nature. Granted, Handel did put out a lot of religious stuff but he out out a lot anyway. Yes, most of the Baroque and early Classical composers wrote one or two religious pieces but there were by no means any kind of majority. After the early Classical composers (so from about 1800) it is extremely rare to find any specific Church-music (with the exception of Faure and some of the current crop such as John Rutter).

    On your point 3). I’m not quite sure why you refer to Zionists, plenty of teshuvos have been written on why it is muttar to listen to music today (R’ Moshe alone wrote 3). Even before then, what would the hetter have been for Chassidishe Niggunim? It seems quite obvious that people have been listening music outside of Seudos Mitzva for hundreds of years.

    Loyal Jew – Learn something about classical music before making sweeping comments. See above response to akuperma for more details.

    #925036
    just my hapence
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    Elgar and Mahler are my stand-outs, but it really depends my mood. Einaudi is wonderful for relaxing with, the Russians (Prokofiev, Borodin, Romsky-Korsakof, Tchaikovsky) are good for working to. Having said that, with the exception of Wagner (which is just noise) I go for pretty much anything.

    #925037
    Loyal Jew
    Member

    I heard it described as the goyim’s equivalent of “Torah be-lo bracha” lehavdil. It all has church inputs.

    #925038
    OneOfMany
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    We’re all too busy listening to awesome music to hear you, Joseph. Sorry bout that.

    #925039
    just my hapence
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    Loyal Jew/Joseph – You’ve “heard it described”, I actually know a fair bit about it. It does not all have Church input as I have previously pointed out with specific reference to composers and their work. Classical music is generally regarded as being that composed from around 1550 onwards specifically because that’s when music started being composed primarily for secular or artistic purposes rather than religious ones. Please, before making ridiculous generalisations learn something about the subject you’re commenting on.

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