January 27, 2013 6:44 pm at 6:44 pm #607978
Do you enjoy classical music? Do you play classical music? What composers are your favorites?
I enjoy Haydn and Mozart most, and cheerful pieces in general. Beethoven is great background music. Wagner makes me tense for some reason (even before I knew he was anti-Semitic.) I can only play simplified versions, but I haven’t practiced in years.
Leonard Bernstein and Toscanini = the best conductors ever.January 27, 2013 7:09 pm at 7:09 pm #925002
yannis really nice stuff… verry calming…January 27, 2013 7:12 pm at 7:12 pm #925003
u shud also listen to simon and garfunkle.. dont worry abt anti semitism cuz theyr jewish..January 27, 2013 8:26 pm at 8:26 pm #925004WIYMember
Dont recommend non Jewish music on Yeshivaworld (or elsewhere for that matter).January 27, 2013 8:51 pm at 8:51 pm #925005akupermaParticipant
1. Choral music raises many shailohs (content, womens voices, words are distracting)
2. Some classical music has an avodah zarah shailoh (a shailoh, not an objection)
3. There is the issue (for non-zionists) that we aren’t supposed to be listening to music for enjoyment while in mourning for Yerusalim.
4. Otherwise, it is certainly prefereable to the usual noises of the “real world” – especially
when commuting.January 27, 2013 8:59 pm at 8:59 pm #925006
okkkkayyy.. So can anyone recomend some good, classical, JEWISH music?? You don’t mind when t613t says non jewish music..January 27, 2013 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm #925007
Bizet, Mussorgsky, Tchaichovsky.January 27, 2013 9:03 pm at 9:03 pm #925008
Purplicious: I really only listen to frum music and classical, so I will only take recommendations from those groups. But someone else should enjoy them. 🙂
Akuperma: That was very interesting. What is the avoda zara objection?January 27, 2013 9:24 pm at 9:24 pm #925009zahavasdadParticipant
Felix Mendelsohn was one of the founders of the HaskalahJanuary 27, 2013 9:32 pm at 9:32 pm #925010
OOM, wow, you are really sophisticated!January 27, 2013 10:03 pm at 10:03 pm #925011
and yanni is classical!! soooo??January 27, 2013 10:11 pm at 10:11 pm #925012
Purplicious: It’s all good. 🙂
Oh, and I like either really good music without any words, or really good words with just a basic tune. I’ve given up on finding both.January 27, 2013 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #925013
helooo im so confused whys everyone mad at me abt nonjewish music? and mozarts jewish? and Bizet, Mussorgsky, Tchaichovsky????January 27, 2013 10:15 pm at 10:15 pm #925014nannyMember
My favorites are Handel (water music), Tchaikovsky (nutcracker suite) and Vivaldi (spring).
My more modern-day favorites are Yanni (one man’s dream) and Yiruma (a river flows in you). (Yanni and Yiruma are very classical-style.)
I LOVE classical music!! 😀January 27, 2013 10:18 pm at 10:18 pm #925015
Purplicious, no one is mad at you. You gave good suggestions. I just made random comments, as I am apt to do when I am procrastinating and starting new things tomorrow. Thank you for your suggestions and especially for your efforts at clearer writing.January 27, 2013 10:26 pm at 10:26 pm #925016
lol you haven’t heard the rest of my preferences in music. I don’t think TBMG can possibly be called sophisticated… ^_^January 27, 2013 10:29 pm at 10:29 pm #925017
hey dont say that now cuz i stopped when oom is concerned abt squashing my personality.. can u pls explain this to me? ur mad at me cuz i sed non jewish classical music and then e/o else says it and ur perfectly ok? pls explain urslef..January 27, 2013 10:37 pm at 10:37 pm #925018
purplicious: They can express their opinions, but you can still recommend what you like. The mods will decide if it is appropriate for YWN.January 27, 2013 10:40 pm at 10:40 pm #925019
P – From now on B”N I’m only responding to posts that I can read without getting a headache.January 27, 2013 10:51 pm at 10:51 pm #925020January 27, 2013 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #925021
OOM: Sorry, not sure what you’re referring to?January 27, 2013 11:01 pm at 11:01 pm #925022January 27, 2013 11:05 pm at 11:05 pm #925023KeenObserverMember
zahavasdad writes: “Felix Mendelssohn was one of the founders of the Haskalah”
No, you are thinking of his controversial grandfather, Moses Mendelssohn. Felix Mendelssohn was baptized as a Christian by his parents (both of whom were born Jewish, of course), and practiced Christianity throughout his life.January 27, 2013 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #925024
OOM: Oops! I didn’t realize THIS was a link. How do you remember posts like that??? Impressive ability.
I did, but if you posted like that all the time, it would be a different story. 🙂January 27, 2013 11:16 pm at 11:16 pm #925025ShiraTobalaMember
love it!! most beautiful thing ive heard!! lol!January 27, 2013 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #925026
eheheh thanks. 🙂
Okay, to each their own. 😛January 28, 2013 12:46 am at 12:46 am #925027golferParticipant
Now that’s entertainment!January 28, 2013 12:57 am at 12:57 am #925028
oh and I like Ludovico Einaudi.January 28, 2013 1:46 am at 1:46 am #925029em0616Member
Chopin, Franz Liszt, Ravel, Schubert, Schumann, Christian Sinding, and Rachmaninov are my favorite composers!January 28, 2013 3:55 am at 3:55 am #925030HaLeiViParticipant
Reb Moshe, among many other Gedolim, listened to classical music. To quote a recuperating priest, “If it’s good enough for Rabbi Feinstein it’s good enough for me.”January 28, 2013 4:39 am at 4:39 am #925031
and also Yo-Yo Ma.January 28, 2013 5:21 am at 5:21 am #925032Loyal JewParticipant
It is all tainted with church origins and to know it well requires huge bittul Torah and bittul zman. The Mechaber had it right.January 28, 2013 6:51 am at 6:51 am #925033ari-freeParticipant
Modzitz of course. 🙂
If you can use youtube, you can look up “Modzitz Concert 1.avi ” for an hour long concert by the Israeli PhilharmonicJanuary 28, 2013 10:11 am at 10:11 am #925034HaKatanParticipant
Rav Moshe did not listen to Yanni, though. Yanni is “New Age”, not Classical. Although both are (mostly) instrumental, there is a big difference between the two.
This has been discussed before in a thread about non-Jewish music, IIRC, but music is an expression of the singer’s neshama and it goes straight to the listener’s neshama. From what I’ve heard, and with all due respect to this artist, a frum Jew should not have any soul-to-soul connection with Yanni’s soul.
I do understand that Mozart, Bach, et al. were not tzadikei yesodei olam either, but if classical is good enough for Rav Moshe then I can certainly understand that. But not to extrapolate that to therefore cover any instrumental music. No.
Given the terrible general yeridas hadoros among the umos, particularly in the past 60 years or so, it is especially unwise to listen to non-Jewish music made during this time, and only worse so the more recent it is.January 28, 2013 12:38 pm at 12:38 pm #925035
akuperma – On a few of your points… Point 2), whilst it is technically true, the ‘some’ you mention is a miuta d’miuta. Pretty much everything written after 1550 or so (generally regarded as the beginning of the Classical era) is completely secular in nature. Granted, Handel did put out a lot of religious stuff but he out out a lot anyway. Yes, most of the Baroque and early Classical composers wrote one or two religious pieces but there were by no means any kind of majority. After the early Classical composers (so from about 1800) it is extremely rare to find any specific Church-music (with the exception of Faure and some of the current crop such as John Rutter).
On your point 3). I’m not quite sure why you refer to Zionists, plenty of teshuvos have been written on why it is muttar to listen to music today (R’ Moshe alone wrote 3). Even before then, what would the hetter have been for Chassidishe Niggunim? It seems quite obvious that people have been listening music outside of Seudos Mitzva for hundreds of years.
Loyal Jew – Learn something about classical music before making sweeping comments. See above response to akuperma for more details.January 28, 2013 12:44 pm at 12:44 pm #925036
Elgar and Mahler are my stand-outs, but it really depends my mood. Einaudi is wonderful for relaxing with, the Russians (Prokofiev, Borodin, Romsky-Korsakof, Tchaikovsky) are good for working to. Having said that, with the exception of Wagner (which is just noise) I go for pretty much anything.January 29, 2013 3:47 am at 3:47 am #925037Loyal JewParticipant
I heard it described as the goyim’s equivalent of “Torah be-lo bracha” lehavdil. It all has church inputs.January 29, 2013 4:17 am at 4:17 am #925038
We’re all too busy listening to awesome music to hear you, Joseph. Sorry bout that.January 29, 2013 11:02 am at 11:02 am #925039
Loyal Jew/Joseph – You’ve “heard it described”, I actually know a fair bit about it. It does not all have Church input as I have previously pointed out with specific reference to composers and their work. Classical music is generally regarded as being that composed from around 1550 onwards specifically because that’s when music started being composed primarily for secular or artistic purposes rather than religious ones. Please, before making ridiculous generalisations learn something about the subject you’re commenting on.
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