Closing online business for Shabbos
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December 13, 2016 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1198552iacisrmmaParticipant
What about ONAAH?December 13, 2016 9:35 pm at 9:35 pm #1198553Eli51Participant
To Zahavasdad Last year I forgot to close my Amazon store for Shabbos so I called a world renowned posek who said that I should ship out the order & give tzedakah from the profit.December 13, 2016 11:06 pm at 11:06 pm #1198554
ZD – first of all, I wanted to apologize if the tone in my last post was too harsh. I was tired when I wrote it. I do get frustrated when I have to keep repeating myself, but I should have found a nicer way to phrase things.
In any case, your comments weren’t relevant to my comments because I said nothing about the halachos or the way in which online businesses work. And I certainly never claimed that you are not an expert in either.
All I said was that if it’s assur then it’s assur and you can’t claim that it has to be okay because there is no other way to do things.
And btw, in terms of the halachos (which is not what I had been talking about), there may be different opinions or situations. There certainly is no place to critize Poskim who give a different psak than what you were given.December 13, 2016 11:28 pm at 11:28 pm #1198555
he didn’t criticize any poskim, the comment you are referring to was on you, not the poskim.December 13, 2016 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #1198556
That particular comment was referring to a previous post.December 14, 2016 12:03 am at 12:03 am #1198557
Avrum in MD – saying “IF it’s assur, then it’s assur” does not imply that it is in fact assur. I made it very clear that I have no idea if it is in fact assur.December 14, 2016 12:21 am at 12:21 am #1198558
i know. and when he made the comment (to you), you responded that he shouldn’t say that about poskim. but he wasn’t.December 14, 2016 12:36 am at 12:36 am #1198559
That particular comment (of mine) was referring to a comment that ZD made in a previous post. I do not want to repeat his comment.December 14, 2016 12:41 am at 12:41 am #1198560
well then please post it because I think you may have inadvertently made a small error that resulted in zdad being corrected and i was hoping you would apologize or at least clarify.December 14, 2016 12:48 am at 12:48 am #1198561
I was considering repeating it but did not think it was appropriate to do so. ZD knows what he said, and I don’t think it’s right to repeat it (either to him or to the Poseik it was said about).
btw, if you dothink that people should apologize for errors that result in people being corrected or criticized unfairly, wouldn’t that mean that you owe me an apology for your last few posts?
I do appreciate the relatively polite tone of your posts, and I understand that the mistake was inadvertant. I wasn’t going to say anything about an apology, since I really am not interested in getting into an argument. I am only mentioning it since you mentioned it.December 14, 2016 1:04 am at 1:04 am #1198562
“As you wrote:
“If you are going to make a statement about a business, at least know all the details”,
Don’t you think that a poseik would make sure to have all the information he needed before he issued a psak? And wouldn’t it be “chosheid b’kisheirim” to assume otherwise, especially if there is a viable explanation? “
here it is. I don’t think it is obvious that his comment was on the Rav and not you as he started it “LU” and wrote “you”. It is obvious that you are sure he is NOT speaking about you but it is not obvious he isn’t so maybe you should double check.
And no, I don’t owe you an apology. You cannot decide that every time someone asks you if you may have erred on something, or proves you might have erred, you turn around and accuse them of attacking you. It’s very manipulative if indeed it is what you are doing which by the looks of things it is but maybe it isn’t.
But that is pretty much the reason I put my 6 year membership on hiatus. The only thing i need to apologize for is giving it another try.December 14, 2016 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1198563December 14, 2016 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1198564
by the way – i was counting the seconds til you posted that. knew to expect it. that was the post where he was not disrespectful but it is not the post being referred to. That post led to another post which led to MY above post which is very clearly where she is quoting the offensive line and telling him it was wrong.December 14, 2016 1:23 am at 1:23 am #1198565
I didn’t say he was disrespectful.December 14, 2016 1:31 am at 1:31 am #1198566
then what was your point? why would you bring that post in to prove he was disrespectful if he wasn’t? (and wondering what brought you in either way. I specifically asked her to bring in a post and would have appreciated a response from her so there is a way to know that it was indeed what SHE was referring to)
on second thought- please don’t answer. I was hoping for a response, not a diversionDecember 14, 2016 1:43 am at 1:43 am #1198567
He did assume that R’ Wolfson made a comment without knowing the facts. It may not have been said in a disrespectful way, but it is a criticism.
As an aside, Rav Wolfson is not known as a posek (AFAIK; someone can correct me if I’m wrong), and I would understand his objection to online sales on Shabbos to be more along the lines of hashkafah than halachah.December 14, 2016 1:46 am at 1:46 am #1198568
What about ONAAH?
It’s not likely to apply here.December 14, 2016 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1198569
and none of that has anything to do with the fact that she seems to have misread something, corrected someone and when it was pointed out, accused me of owing her an apology. And instead of actually resolving it, somehow you are bringing in a side issue.
(by the way – that was the remaining reason for the hiatus)
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