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  • #619440
    srulie91
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    what are the best streets to collect in Lawrence?

    #1228610
    Joseph
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    The streets the rich people live on.

    #1228611
    zahavasdad
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    Unless you have a list of people to go to, it is not a good idea to go randomly collecting, you never know who will answer the door and some people might not be too happy you are there

    #1228612
    Joseph
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    So they’re not too happy. Not everyone’s always happy anyways. Life goes on and you go to the next random Yid’s door.

    #1228613
    zahavasdad
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    Not everyone is a Yid and some peoples houses are more like forts

    #1228614
    Joseph
    Participant

    Check for a mezuza.

    #1228615
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    like forts in what ways? As long as they don’t have dogs or guns, what could the problem be?

    #1228616
    zahavasdad
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    Alot of people there have either big fences or even walls around their property

    I think there are also some private security

    I dont live there so I cant say exactly, but just because there are very rich people there doesnt mean its easy pickens

    #1228617
    Joseph
    Participant

    Dress up as a police officer and they’ll open their door.

    #1228618
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Look for signs that say “No soliciting” and skip those houses.

    #1228619
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Tzdekah collectors will ignore the “No soliciting signs”

    #1228620
    lesschumras
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    Impersonating a police officer is a crime

    #1228621
    Lightbrite
    Participant

    Joseph: Or call the real police and then you can use your one phone call to telecollect

    #1228622
    yehudayona
    Participant

    lesschumras: There are usually some little kids who dress as cops for Purim. I’d better call the cops so they can arrest them.

    #1228623
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Impersonating and dressing up are two different things.

    #1228624
    takahmamash
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    Tzdekah collectors will ignore the “No soliciting signs”

    Trespassing is a crime.

    #1228625
    from Long Island
    Participant

    You need a letter of authorization from the Vaad of the 5 Towns. Otherwise, people will NOT give.

    Too many scammers over the years. People are very wary, rich or not.

    #1228626
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    “I dont live there so I cant say exactly…”

    so dont say anything. Is there a law that requires comment if you dont know what you are talkign about?

    “You need a letter of authorization from the Vaad of the 5 Towns. Otherwise, people will NOT give.”

    I protest this motzei laz. On Purim the haalcha is “kol haposhtin yad nosnin lo” And this is generally practiced to the best of my knowledge. Yes with a letter you’ll get more, but go ahead knock on doors you will get something

    #1228627
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Requiring a letter is not something exclusive to Lawrence, Lakewood requires it as well

    #1228628
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Requiring a letter is not something exclusive to Lawrence, Lakewood requires it as well”

    On Purim too? Or only the rest of the year?

    #1228629
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    “Impersonating and dressing up are two different things.”

    Kind of like the difference between RebYidd or PBA trolling and a real troll trolling.

    #1228630
    lesschumras
    Participant

    We do not open doors no matter what the day is to anyone without a letter. The collectors know the rules, and yes, there are too many scammers around. If they can’t prove they are legitimate, no latter

    #1228631
    Joseph
    Participant

    How unpurim like…

    #1228632
    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    On Purim we specifically give to everyone who asks. And if someone is desperate enough to scam people, that is also someone who needs the money.

    #1228633
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    This is (IMHO) a classic “Nehurah Bei Planya” question and therefore Avak Lashon Hara to answer regarding specific areas. Go, do your Hishtadlus, and if you have a good cause, may Hashem help you.

    One point. If you go Purim night, do not expect anyone to open doors. People want to sleep and there is no Chiyuv.

    For whom are you planning to collect?

    lesschumras – It says on Purim “Kol HaPoshet Yad Nosnim Lo”, which means you have to give something. 10 Agurot or a penny is “something”, and they get the point.

    I have also heard that many “wealthy” people go away for Purim, so don’t expect anyone to respond. Even without people knocking for money, it may be cheaper than having to give so many Mishloach Manos LOL.

    #1228634
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Gavra, it has to be a shava prutah.

    #1228635
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    DY – I was thinking about that. Do you have a source that the “Nosnim Lo” has to be a Shava Perutah? (Not Matanos L’evyonim, which you hopefully gave to a reliable institution or your Rov)

    #1228636
    lesschumras
    Participant

    I give via organizations and tzedakahs authorized by the shul. The problem with giving small amounts to collectors is the demands for larger amounts.

    #1228637
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Gavra, ????? always means a ??? ?????. See, for example, ??”? ???”? ?.

    http://www.hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14166&st=&pgnum=321

    #1228638
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    LC, but the Shulchan Aruch says to give anyone who asks.

    #1228639
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    DY: “Gavra, ????? always means a ??? ?????.’

    That’s interesting. I hadn’t realized that. L’maaseh, I don’t think I gave anyone less, but it’s good to know. I wonder how much that is in shekalim.

    #1228640
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    DY – Except where it doesn’t, for example Chalipin.

    I hear the Rayah from the Shaarei Teshuva though, and thank you for the Maare Makom.

    LUL – A perutah is 1/8 of an Issar Ha’Italki 🙂 In all seriousness, if you hold it is 1/2 of a grain of silver (which is the Shittah of the Rambam in Mishnayos Kiddushin), it is currently worth about 1.75 cents, which is less than 10 Agurot.

    #1228641
    gavra_at_work
    Participant

    I give via organizations and tzedakahs authorized by the shul. The problem with giving small amounts to collectors is the demands for larger amounts.

    Giving two cents (for DY 🙂 does not demand larger amounts. And you can forcefully say “no” and turn your back.

    #1228642
    lesschumras
    Participant

    When they are in your house it’s not that simple

    #1228643
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    GAW – well since there is nothing less than 10 agurot, I guess I have nothing to worry about 🙂 It’s a good thing that 5 agurot no longer exists.

    #1228644
    ubiquitin
    Participant

    I believe R’ Moshe held a perutah is the smallest amount that has purhcasing pwer. In those days it was said to be a nickel, though perhaps now would be a dime or slightly more

    #1228645
    yehudayona
    Participant

    According to something called Halachipedia, Rav Yisroel Pinchas Bodner says a prutah today is a quarter (Halachos of Other Peoples’ Money, published in 2003).

    #1228646
    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    10 agurot has buying power- you can buy a plastic bag at the supermarket with it.

    #1228647
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    WTP – true. Maybe people will start to value 10 agurot more now. I always feel guilty now when I’m a guest at someone’s house for Shabbos and I ask them for a plastic bag on Motzei Shabbos to help me pack my stuff in – something I never used to think about twice.

    #1228648
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    Rav Bodner is the author of one of the two well-known Hilchos Brachos Sefarim in english. I think he’s also the author of a well-know english sefer on Hilchos Muktzah.

    #1228649
    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    WTP – on the other hand, the bag by itself is useless, so I wonder if that would count halachically.

    #1228650
    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Plastic Bags are currently free in NYC, even if the mayor is trying to change that

    #1228651
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    DY – Except where it doesn’t, for example Chalipin.

    Is chalipin a nesinah?

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