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August 11, 2015 6:18 pm at 6:18 pm #616190
in my opinion color war does not bring out good middos in a child. all the cheering brings out haughtiness , brazenness and chutzpah.
Besides, look how much they poke fun at the opposing team.
Yes, we all teach them achdus. but that’s not the reality.
attn head counselors… its time to end this kilkul hamidos called color war.
besides how many kids really enjoy it anyways?
many kids dread color war…August 11, 2015 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1098625🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
if you were talking about the school plays I would have agreed with you. on this, i just dont see it. maybe there are some cut throat leaders out there who encourage like behavior from their charges but most of the time it is just teamwork. Nobody says they are better, they cheer for their team. All 50-150 of them.August 11, 2015 6:28 pm at 6:28 pm #1098626
Color war teaches kids how to deal with the real world. In real life, not everybody is nice to you, and a lot of people put a lot of effort into causes that have no actual meaning. There’s a lot of teasing, haughtiness, brazenness, and dreading in real life. Do you want your kids to be unprepared?August 11, 2015 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #1098627
COLOR WAR IS AMAZING!!!! Obviously the person who started this post probably went to a bad camp. ( Based on what you wrote about the actions of what goes on during color war it is obviously a bad camp) Color war when done right is the highlight for many kids summer experience and helps propel so many to a year of great learning in school. I do feel bad that that marbehsholom never had this experience. Please make sure that your kids go the right camps.August 11, 2015 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1098628
It doeesn’t seem like the opening post was meant in jest, so I will treat it as serious. Please point out if I am misreading anything. I can actually claim to have a great deal of experience in this matter, having both participated in, and helped arranged, numerous Colour Wars and similar competitions.
Colour War (As it is actually spelt) is at its best, a celebration of all that is good about Summer Camps. It permits an atmosphere of healthy competition to flourish in an enironment that I have never seen lead to to true animosity, or indeed any of the poor middos mentioned above, in significantly increased measures relative to the rest of the summer.
Of course, not everybody will take the competitive nature in the spirit it is intended, but this is not caused by the atmosphere or reality of Colour War, rather that certain people will act in a difficult manner given the oppurtunity, and colour War does not rectify, or exacebrate, this fact of life.
In all my experience, from the youngest Campers terrified (Not in a bad way) by the breakout, to an older camper laughing into my sleeve throughout, I have never seen it engender anything other than good. I mantain that one of the most marvellous things about Summer camps is the ability they have to showcase different campers’ talents. The less athletic types can act, sing, or draw. Those with organizational skills can arrange, and those with writing or compositional skills can come to the fore. And I have seen it time and time again.
Far from fostering animosity, it leads to achdus, both amonngst the teams and between boys of differing ages who otherwise wouldn’t come into contact. It is a fantastic way of channeling energies into a constructive and enjoyable event. And I have never met anybody who dreads Colour War for any of the reasons you have said, and I can confidently say that this is because the issue you have bought up is either minimal or non-existent.
Colour War is a fantastic institution, and I am upset at the presence of two threads over the last two weeks attempting to demean it as a practice, despite its valuable role in creating the best possible experience and atmosphere in our Camps.August 11, 2015 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #1098629
It’s Color War. Without the U. People make banners with the words cut out from construction paper. One letter less makes it that much easier.August 11, 2015 10:49 pm at 10:49 pm #1098630
And one extra letter gives one extra kid a job, as per my above post.
And one more thing. We created the language, so we use it as we wish.August 11, 2015 10:56 pm at 10:56 pm #1098631
No, it’s all done by the same two kids.August 11, 2015 11:00 pm at 11:00 pm #1098632
And even so, those two kids can be occupied for a few moments more, and therefore proportionally feel more important, and as such will feel even happier when their team wins. Which their team will. Because they spelt it right.August 11, 2015 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #1098633Shopping613 🌠Participant
I see both sides. I agree with all, esspec. the life = color war. It’s so true. You may gay hurt in it or have a lot of fun. THAT’S LIFE. It’s all bout perspective. IN LIFE you may get beaten, disgraced, have your talents degraded….and you may learn how to push yourself so people can see you, not let them step on you, learn achdut, and teach others a thing or two.
I had color war in camp, and my song got completely destroyed by girls that had a higher status than me. but that’s life. And I realized in the end I don’t need everyone to know that I wrote it, and make something for everyone to see just to feel good about myself. My friends see my songs, I see them…trying to show off was ga’ava.
See, even if you get hurt you can learn something.
I think color war is awesome. Al the kids that are in to it go have a great time while I finally catch up on some sleep, sneak out with a friend, and have a blast walking around in a pink blanket cuz why not (even though I didnt do much and dithed all the presentations) I still cheered, lost my voice, went crazy,and relaxed. Everyone gets a chance to do what works for them- as long as they push for it.August 11, 2015 11:27 pm at 11:27 pm #1098634
i am writing this post based on what my kid reported to me . i see it hasent changed much since i was a kid.August 11, 2015 11:59 pm at 11:59 pm #1098635zahavasdadParticipant
Colour with a U is the English (UK) Spelling. Color without the U is the American spelling
Both are correctAugust 12, 2015 12:50 am at 12:50 am #1098636
Their team won’t win. Because they are not on a team. They are the underpaid assistants who are “breaking out” color war.August 12, 2015 12:54 am at 12:54 am #1098637
Colour with a U is the English (UK) Spelling. Color without the U is the American spelling
Both are correct
To paraphrase a comment I once heard quoted, there is no ‘American’ English and ‘UK’ English. There is just English. And mistakes.August 12, 2015 1:00 am at 1:00 am #1098638HaLeiViParticipant
In my camp we even competed in Achdus.August 12, 2015 1:42 am at 1:42 am #1098639
It’s not a mistake if it’s done intentionally.August 12, 2015 3:27 am at 3:27 am #1098640apushatayidParticipant
I thought the chazzan said Ellul not Adar.August 12, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1098641
This isn’t the happy, humorous kind of argument. It’s the bored silly kind.August 12, 2015 5:36 am at 5:36 am #1098642
The idea that any one group of people “created” the English language, or that the people currently living in England are the direct heirs of that group, is, in a word, hogwash.
The very concept of the English language is that it, like nearly all other languages, is in a constant state of evolution.
“Colour” is how you have spelt it. We have spelled it color.
Any whining about the origin of the language shows just how irrelevant the English realize themselves to have become.
Pretty soon, you’ll emulate the French, and open an Academy for the Preservation of the Integrity of the English Language.
And we all know just how relevant the French are…August 12, 2015 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #1098643
marbehsholom send your kid to a different camp next summer.August 13, 2015 2:45 am at 2:45 am #1098644
rebyidd… since in the real world people arent so nice. lets tell our kids to insult,embarrass and fight with each other. this way they will be prepared for the real world.August 13, 2015 2:54 am at 2:54 am #1098645
Don’t tell them, show them.August 13, 2015 3:55 pm at 3:55 pm #1098646
And one more thing. We created the language, so we use it as we wish.
you may have created the language, but we created color war 🙂
To paraphrase a comment I once heard quoted, there is no ‘American’ English and ‘UK’ English. There is just English. And mistakes.
im going to go out on limb here and assume this person was British… but let me ask -along the same lines as my above statement (and the famous source for it)- would calling that box that brings people between floors in a building an “elevator” be considered in your book a “mistake”? 🙂
🙂 Bump 🙂August 13, 2015 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #1098647
What was wrong with iBump’s post?August 13, 2015 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1098648
What was wrong with iBump’s post?
what do you mean by that?
🙂 Bump 🙂August 13, 2015 8:56 pm at 8:56 pm #1098649
Well, I saw your post, and then a few minutes later I didn’t. I assumed that it had been deleted by a Mod, which I could not understand.
Now I realize that you edited the post (adding the last paragraph), so it needed to be approved again.August 13, 2015 9:54 pm at 9:54 pm #1098650
A mistake? not necessarily. Needlessly confusing? Probably. You see, we call that little box a ‘lift’, and the magical staircases elevators. Now, feel free to enlighten me as to the corresponding american terminology, but that seems like a pretty good labelling system to me.August 14, 2015 2:18 am at 2:18 am #1098651
A mistake? not necessarily.
excelent! we have now acertained that we can have word in ‘american’ english that is not a mistake even though it differs from the ‘UK’ version! so now this was…?:)
there is no ‘American’ English and ‘UK’ English. There is just English. And mistakes.
and now for a bit of history(as requsted)…
there, wasnt that enlightening?
Word Origin and History for elevator:As a name for a mechanical lift attested from 1787
Word Origin and History for lift:Sense of “elevator” is from 1851
ok, only a 64 year gap…:)
all facts can be checked yourself.
wasnt that fun:)?
🙂 Bump 🙂August 14, 2015 3:02 am at 3:02 am #1098652
OK, I just got a whole post accidentally deleted, which is dispiriting at the best of times. I’ll provide a concise review of my far superior lost post.
My assumption above was incorrect. But also, I think, was yours, iBump. When writing my previous post, I did have a vague recollection of the escalator being an American invention. But I incorrectly forgot there were two similar terms and said, erroneously, that elevator was the term for a moving staircase, and ‘lift’ for what you call an elevator. This was entirely incorrect, and I apologise.
But in the post I was responding to, the assumption seemed to be that the Brits use a different, and wrong, term for an elevator, which, as you correctly point out, is an American invention and was originally called an escelator.
But actually, in terms of real terminology, there is absolutely no difference between the terms used in the UK and the US regarding these two items. We both use ‘escalator’ for a magical staircase, and ‘elevator’ for the box that goes up and down. The only difference is that we have a slang word for an elevator, and call it a ‘lift’. This word doesn’t replace ‘elevator’, merely compliments is. We simply use both terms, except one is colloquial. This is similar to the terms ‘Soccer’ and ‘Football’, both of which are valid words, in the UK, to describe our national sport. Football is simply the official name (Well, stricly speaking, one of the official names, as the full name is ‘Association Football’), and ‘Soccer’ is the slang term for that same sport.
So you haven’t actually pointed out any issues with my linguistic viewpoint, iBump. Perhaps that wasn’t your intention, and I misread your earlier post, or you have other points to make, in which case feel free.August 14, 2015 3:05 am at 3:05 am #1098653
and by the way, in way of apology for the highjack- which i did not begin-
i will put in my two cents on the original topic (however i eagerly await NeutiquamErro’s rejoiner on the matter at hand!)
as a camper i barely gave it any attention and from a staff point of view (which is what i remember better) while i never dreaded color war, i didnt enjoy it that much, but i know that there are people who love and live for it. im sure there are some places that do it the right way and let and make sure everyone is involved in a meaningful way that they also personally enjoy, thereby causing a fun atmosphere to permeate throughout camp. unfortunatly i was never in such a place so only a select few staff members got that…
🙂 Bump 🙂August 14, 2015 3:13 am at 3:13 am #1098654August 14, 2015 3:21 am at 3:21 am #1098655
I WOULD LIKE TO POLL ALL CR MEMBERS.
How many of you people liked colr war as a kid and how many woudnt have minded if it wouldnt have been.
I hated it.
ofcourse I pretended to love it . just to “IN”
THats 1 no for color warAugust 14, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1098656☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
I am pro color war.August 14, 2015 3:31 am at 3:31 am #1098657
I loved it. I never participated in a color war. But I loved it.August 14, 2015 5:27 am at 5:27 am #1098658
I liked color war as a kid, and I loved it as a staff member.
NeutiquamErro, I assume you meant that the term lift complements the term elevator. I find it hard to believe that one term would want to make another feel good about itself.
Or is that the British spelling?August 14, 2015 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1098659
Pro Colour War. Been involved in it at almost every level: As a 9 year old, just doing arts and crafts. As a young teenager, acting, doing sports and creating the newsletter, and finally arranging things, inlcuding helping with the breakout, as a staff member. At every level i absolutely loved it. Even when all I was doing was making trinkets, being recognized and appreciated by those older than me was a great morale booster. Sometimes I was more into it, sometimes less, but I always enjoyed it immensely.
Catch Yourself, you caught me. I type rather fast, and stuff like that can slip through the net. Good chap (Take that word whichever way you wish).
And iBump, our posts appear to have both been posted before being approved, so if you’re waiting for my reply, I believe it is all in the post above.August 14, 2015 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #1098660YW fanParticipant
pro color warAugust 14, 2015 2:27 pm at 2:27 pm #1098661
The over 400 students in the grades that have color war in my school who heard a rumor that color war might not have taken place this past year and begged the school to keep color war going vote yes.August 17, 2015 3:10 am at 3:10 am #1098662
YITZCHOK: all kids will say the love color war because that’s the “in” thing and a.o. who deosent like color war is nerdy.
but we need to ask adults to tell us the truth, how they rely felt as a child?August 17, 2015 3:16 am at 3:16 am #1098663
you guys all voted pro color war , but I havent herd any good response to my orig. “taana”
p.s. this poll is unscientific , because it only polls one segment of the population. It only polls people who are CR posters.
there maybe a factor involved. the same factor which makes these guys be CR posters in the first place maybe a factor cusing them to have enjoyed color war.
Perhaps CR posters have a need to have themselves heard, and for that reason they enjoyed the outspokeness and brazeness of color war.
only in clor war you can legally bury youre opponent alive.August 17, 2015 3:21 am at 3:21 am #1098664☕ DaasYochid ☕Participant
Color war, if done properly, can be an opportunity for kids’ talents to shine. It can also be an opportunity to learn good midos, again, if done properly.
Marbehshalom, you should send your kids to camps where it’s done properly.August 17, 2015 3:36 am at 3:36 am #1098665
I have never seen anyone buried alive during color war. Knocked out with a rubber inflated sphere, maybe. Buried alive? No.August 17, 2015 3:44 am at 3:44 am #1098666kokushMember
Marbehshalom, if you want to know how a colorwar goes smooth, I can tell you of one camp where it all happens. The achdus, learning,sports etc are all done properly. There is no such thing as poking fun or even the slightest action of chutzpah that takes place in this camp. At the finale of colorwar, many are in tears as they share their summer experience during this one evening. Not sure which camping experience you witnessed when you were younger. However, I am a true camp alumni of a popular camp and I always looked forward to colorwar.August 18, 2015 3:57 am at 3:57 am #1098667
WELL OF COURSE THE RED TEAM IS G-D’S GIFT TO MANKIND.
AND TEH GREEN TEMA THER’ES NEVER BEEN ANYONE EVER LIKE THEM SINCE OG MELECH HABOSHONAugust 18, 2015 2:06 pm at 2:06 pm #1098668skripkaParticipant
As a camp counselor,and camper, i see nothing wrong with colour war. ( i am also upset at my spell check for saying that “colour” is a misspelling) btw, maybe we should make a coffee room colour war, especially since according to some CR posters are genetically wired to enjoy colour warAugust 18, 2015 2:07 pm at 2:07 pm #1098669
You had a green team? We had a blue team.August 18, 2015 3:13 pm at 3:13 pm #1098670
Marbehsholom either send your kid to a camp that does color war correctly or send your kid to a camp that doesn’t have color war. I do feel bad for you that you missed out on the joys of going to a camp where color war is done correctly but we all miss out on many good experiences and should be happy for those good experiences we did have.August 19, 2015 1:48 am at 1:48 am #1098671
no camp does it properlyAugust 19, 2015 1:49 am at 1:49 am #1098672
dream on guysAugust 19, 2015 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1098673screwdriverdelightParticipant
I hated color war. It’s a counselors’ game, not the campers. (I was never a counselor but I assume I would have hated it as well.) I liked the comedy skits, though.
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