August 26, 2021 9:46 pm at 9:46 pm #2003355
I just finished watching Biden talking about the Terrorist attack today.
He’s Not the president, because he didn’t come close to winning the 2020 election.
What I found interesting – was almost all Media, at the end, were screaming at him.
They usually defend him.
I guess they finally get it, the Elected DemonCrats only care about themselves, Not any other Americans!August 27, 2021 1:11 am at 1:11 am #2003435
Health, the MSM, besides for Foxnews, are all DemonCrats as you so aptly put it. Even if they are frustrated with Biden at the moment, they will support a different candidate in the next election who will be another Comedian in Chief. Their ideologies are so corrupt, they cannot think rationally.August 27, 2021 6:39 am at 6:39 am #2003446rightwriterParticipant
I’m sure someone is pulling the strings and it’s not Biden. Actually remember when Obama said he wishes he could have a 3rd term through someone else aka behind the scenes? Well, he got it. It seems they are setting the stage for Bidens stepping down and Kamalla taking the mantle. What a joke she ranked lowest in the democrat debates and Tulsi Gabbard absolutely destroyed her on live broadcast.August 27, 2021 8:54 am at 8:54 am #2003479akupermaParticipant
This posting in rude and highly insulting, especially to comedians (and BTW, there is nothing funny about Biden who is acting pretty much could have been predicted based on his very long record).August 27, 2021 10:31 am at 10:31 am #2003521
Trump, who thinks he knows everything better than anyone else, saying that under his presidency this would have not happened, how can he not be a comedian in chief?August 27, 2021 11:17 am at 11:17 am #2003535
Biden’s optics have gone from bad to a churban but the substantive metrics governing most economic and strategic issues of concern have really not materially changed. Markets, income and employment have continued their steady recovery, short term inflationary trends are moderating and as terrible as it sounds, the tragic loss of life yesterday in Kabul is probably less than what we have sustained had he not pulled the troops out quickly (albeit with really inept execution). The Orange Blob can keep issuing press releases on faux “Presidential Stationary” that no one reads and do mock-up press conferences from a make-believe oval office at some Golf Club in New Jersey that no one watches but the nation and the world are better off with he and his chevrah left yelling gevalt at one another on OAN and NewsMax.August 27, 2021 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #2003590
RE -“Trump, who thinks he knows everything better than anyone else, saying that under his presidency this would have not happened, how can he not be a comedian in chief?”
Because it’s True!
He’s started making peace with NK.
He’s excellent in deal making.
He made a deal with the Taliban & they kept it.
They didn’t attack any US troops.
When the Comedian in Chief decided to pull out of Afghanistan, a few days later many people were killed, including Americans!
Biden & those DemonCrats that Support him are responsible for this Tragedy!August 27, 2021 1:13 pm at 1:13 pm #2003594akupermaParticipant
Stop making fun of COMEDIANS. They had nothing to do with the mess the world is in, and the incompetence of those the American people have freely elected is not funny.August 27, 2021 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #2003611August 27, 2021 2:11 pm at 2:11 pm #2003610jackkParticipant
Everything Trump says it always about himself. I wonder why.August 27, 2021 2:23 pm at 2:23 pm #2003622Amil ZolaParticipant
I’m still waiting to hear about the other guys planned retreat from Afghanistan. Hard to know without a national security briefing prior to the Biden administration coming into office.August 27, 2021 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm #2003626🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant
Wow. I can believe the lengths some of you are going to to pretend Biden isn’t the biggest disaster on 2 legs, and I can almost believe there are a few holdouts wanting to pretend that he didn’t just betray America and destroy our reputation and safety when even CNN knows it’s true. But to tie it to Trump?
Somewhere between beyond the imagination and pathetic
P.s. before you try to pretend this is a pro trump thing, I don’t read his letters, don’t want him running, and don’t think I’d vote him back. This is purely about watching TDS merge with La la landAugust 27, 2021 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2003677
Oh Jackk -“Everything Trump says it always about himself. I wonder why.”
At least Trump had a Real job before politics.
Biden’s only Job for the last Umteen years, was only being a Politician.
I guess he’s one of a kind?!?
Actually all the DemonCrats only care about the Country, Not themselves!August 27, 2021 6:58 pm at 6:58 pm #2003678
RE -“John Bolton, former security advisor to Trump, said in a interview that by Trump negotiating with the Taliban weakened the power of the Afghan government, so they gave up.”
Who cares what he says?
He’s a Liar and hates Trump.
Obama and Trump, both wanted to get out of Afghanistan, but Safely!
He was thrown out of the Trump administration.
He’s another Repo, like Cheney!
Biden ran out, like a Scared Chicken!
Pluck, Pluck, Pluck…August 28, 2021 10:44 pm at 10:44 pm #2003779
Health: If you really believe Trump knew what he was doing on ANY national security issue, I’d really lose much respect for your frequently brilliant trolls. He appointed some competent people who quickly turned on him after they realized the absolute intellectual void he was.August 29, 2021 10:16 am at 10:16 am #2003866
Trump did not listen to those competent people like General Mattis and therefore they resigned.August 29, 2021 11:56 am at 11:56 am #2003914
Why aren’t the people that told Biden to stay in, or don’t close the airport resigning?August 29, 2021 12:18 pm at 12:18 pm #2003923
Gadol > believe Trump knew what he was doing on ANY national security issue,
A left-wing rag recently ran a discussion with their experts asking them a ridiculous (for them) question – was there one thg that Trump did right? Five experts had five different items. You are an educated person, I am sure you can name some yourself. For your own sake, write them down on a piece of paper. You don’t have to post it here, you can just burn it after. Just tell us how many items were on the list 🙂August 29, 2021 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm #2003943
RE -“Trump did not listen to those competent people like General Mattis and therefore they resigned.”
I was talking about Bolton, not Mattis.
You gotta read the post before you reply.
Otherwise you sound like an Idiot!August 29, 2021 12:49 pm at 12:49 pm #2003948
GH -“Health: If you really believe Trump knew what he was doing on ANY national security issue,”
He’s was excellent in Foreign Policy.
What has any DemonCrat done to help the US?!?
Did they make friends with North Korea, like Trump?
Did they move the US Embassy to Yerushalyim, like Trump?August 29, 2021 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #2003954
coffee addict, you can’t follow both views, so one will be rejected. Sometimes you listen to one and sometimes to another. You must show willingness to listen and respect their views. When you always follow your own instincts, people around you realize that their good advice is not required and is ignored.August 29, 2021 1:37 pm at 1:37 pm #2003959
Health, it does not proof anything about Bolton if Trump does not even listen to Mattis. He simply thinks he knows everything and does not have to listen to advisors. North Korea might end up with nuclear weapons after making friends with them. Breaking the treaty with Iran showed that no one is watching, so they can do whatever they want by being on the verge of acquiring the materials. The movement of the embassy I don’t see a direct benefit of except the increase of the arab hatred.August 29, 2021 4:26 pm at 4:26 pm #2004004
“coffee addict, you can’t follow both views, so one will be rejected. Sometimes you listen to one and sometimes to another. You must show willingness to listen and respect their views. When you always follow your own instincts, people around you realize that their good advice is not required and is ignored.”
Do you work in the White House to say that trump didn’t listen to anybody that said against HR McMaster
Additionally your comment was on the people that trump didn’t listen to resigned, so Biden didn’t listen to people that told him to stay but they didn’t resign
You don’t see the correlation?August 29, 2021 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #2004009
RE -“He simply thinks he knows everything and does not have to listen to advisors.”
Trump had many advisors that he listened to.
You must be talking about Biden – his advisors told him – Not to just pull out the Troops as soon as possible!
“North Korea might end up with nuclear weapons after making friends with them.”
They already have them – years ago.
So Trump was trying to make an agreement with them.August 29, 2021 4:28 pm at 4:28 pm #2004010
“What has any DemonCrat done to help the US?!?
Did they make friends with North Korea, like Trump?”
Health: One more really stupid post like this and you will lose your ranking as among the top CR Trollsters.August 29, 2021 9:26 pm at 9:26 pm #2004082
RebE> When you always follow your own instincts, people around you realize that their good advice is not required and is ignored.
RebE, I think you simply wish your own sensitivity on people you voted for. Where are your examples of Biden doing something against his instincts and following an advice. Do we need to quote Bob Gates again?
I brought a mixed example written up before the election by one of the Biden’s agitators – that Biden continued publicly defending his idea of dividing Iraq in parts, while privately conceding that he is wrong and not pushing it further. This is still not when he was a “decider”.August 29, 2021 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm #2004101
GH -“Health: One more really stupid post like this and you will lose your ranking as among the top CR Trollsters.”
Why do you spend your time posting to me?
Go listen to the Mother of the Marine that screamed that her son died for No reason.
She said he was about to have baby & now the kid won’t have a father.
She blamed all DemonCrats that voted him in, not just Biden himself!
I say – Judgment is around the corner, Not just for the hundreds that were killed last week in Afghanistan, but for all those babies that are Aborted in this country, because of DemonCrat Liberalism!August 30, 2021 2:26 am at 2:26 am #2004151
As much as I hate the Democrats, and as much as I blame Biden for putting American lives at riske when pulling out of Afghanistan, the ones who really started this mess was Bush and Cheney and other Republicans who made the decision to invade Afghanistan. Only special forces should’ve stepped foot in Afghanistan on short, crucial missions to strike at Al Queida, not the Taliban. Our troops should never have been sent in, drones should’ve bombed from the air.
The US was pumping in billions of dollars for the Afghan army who were mostly made up of soldiers who were drug addicts and corrupt. Billions was spent to build up another country’s infrastructure. This was all with money that was borrowed and we still has to repayed with interest!
Countless lives and trillions of dollars were lost in vain in this 20 year war.August 30, 2021 9:04 am at 9:04 am #2004239
Philosopher: Well said. Clearly it was time to get out of this black hole but Biden’s inept handling of the withdrawal will likely drag down the Dems in the 2022 mid-term elections. Totally self-inflicted
fiasco that speaks to his decades-long objections to these types of wars and fixation on making withdrawal a hallmark of his first year in office.August 30, 2021 9:20 am at 9:20 am #2004251
Philosopher: Well said. Clearly it was time to get out of this black hole dug by prior Presidents of both parties, but Biden’s inept handling of the withdrawal will likely drag down the Dems in the 2022 mid-term elections. This was a totally self-inflicted fiasco that speaks to his decades-long objections to these types of wars and fixation on making withdrawal a hallmark of his first year in office. I’m not sure Trump would have done it any better (or at all) but the buck stops with Biden.August 30, 2021 1:36 pm at 1:36 pm #2004302
Gadolhadorah, I absolutely believe that Trump would never leave Americans stranded, would not leave the army vulnerable to terrorism, would not have tens of thousands of random, non-vetted Afghans bough over to the US. I believe much more thought and planning would go into the army’s leave of Afghanistan.August 30, 2021 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #2004321
Phil -“the ones who really started this mess was Bush and Cheney and other Republicans who made the decision to invade Afghanistan”
Oh really?!? Now you’re an expert on military strategy.
IDK how old you are, but what happened in Iran?!?
Maybe Bush didn’t want another Iran.
Which country is the Leader in this world in Terrorism?!?
Carter should have gave the Shah troops.
Instead he sent 2 helicopters, that made us look like Fools!
The mission was a total Failure!August 30, 2021 8:25 pm at 8:25 pm #2004436
Philosopher: Very few Americans who wanted to leave were “stranded”. Most were dual passport holders who have lived in Afghanistan for decades and/or who have extended families that were not eligible for U.S. visas. As to bringing in unvetted refugees, thats simply not true and the vetting continues after they arrive in the U.S. First Trump was criticizing Biden for leaving our Afghani “friends” and “allies” behind and then Steven Miller flipped 180 degrees and started screaming gevalt about bringing over terrorists.August 30, 2021 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #2004442
Health, relax, it’s not healthy to get your blood pressure up simply because I have an opinion about this issue.
This is not about military failings, but about the faulty thinking of Bush, Cheney and other Republicans who think that if you pump billions of dollars into another country you can change their mentality and ideologies.
18 hostages dying in the US embassy in Iran after the Shah fall vs approximately 2,500 US service members deaths, 3,900 US contractors deaths, 1,144 other allied service deaths, approximately 50,000 Afghan civilian, national military and police deaths and 440 aid workers deaths in Afghanistan during the 20 year war. So which is worse?
Cost of the mission during the Iranian takeover of the US embassy in Iran were two helicopters vs the cost of the 20 year Afghan war which costed 1 trillion dollars which will balloon with interest to over 3 trillions dollars.
So, yes, the Afghanistan war was way, way worse than the Iran debacle.
The US has fought ridiculous wars, like the wars in Iraq and Vietnam and this war was another dumb one.
America did not become more secure because of these ridiculous wars. Remember Obama’s Bin Laden elimination? It was a special forces mission. Remember Trump’s bunker buster bomb on ISIS? That’s how you fight these unwinnable wars.August 30, 2021 11:20 pm at 11:20 pm #2004443
Gh, thousands of unvetted civilians did arrive in the US and knowing how the government agencies (don’t) work these days, I highly doubt they will be vetted and returned if found to be a risk. That doesn’t take away from the fact that initially thousands of Afghanis who helped the US were stranded, a fact which Trump criticized. I’m assuming they are all out now.August 30, 2021 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm #2004448
this is a little ahistorical – drones were rare and not capable to wage a war in 2001. At some point at that time, I think, Gen McCrystal was running a drone operation and a feed was cut – because Pentagon generals wanted to control such an important operation.August 31, 2021 7:40 am at 7:40 am #2004476
Aaq, wow, technology has come such a long way in twenty years! Despite not having the drones to do the job, the US could’ve bomb Al Queda from the air and send in small groups of special forces for specific missions. To send in all the troops they had in Afghanistan and trying to train Afghans “soldiers” i.e. drug addicts was ridiculous.August 31, 2021 11:14 am at 11:14 am #2004594
UAvs were first deployed in Balkans in 1995-6
in 1998, we were able to shoot cruise missiles at Al Qaeda fixed targets. so, technology was there.
from wiki: We were able to locate bin Laden from video in summer of 2000 and tested shooting a missile from Predator in February 2001. But we did not have permission from Stans to host a weapon there. In Feb 2002, we killed from the air someone resembling Bin Laden. Of course, it became harder later on, when capability became known and the terrorists started taking precautions.
I am not arguing one way or another re:training Afghans, just giving you facts. Maybe it was wrong trying to recruit a bigger army and train them as an Army. Afghans are pretty good at fighting their way, and their special forces by all accounts worked well. Hope now when they are left to their own way of fighting we will support them in a similar way Reagan helped them fight Soviets.August 31, 2021 11:18 am at 11:18 am #2004611
Anyway, back to the Comedian in Chief, $80 billion + in arms were left for the Taliban. Biden is not in control so who made this utterly disastrous decision to pull out before transferring the equipment out of Afghanistan?
Our woke military generals were busy three days before the ISIS attack on Kabul airport giving out woke cards on accepting all races of service members equally. Someone had to be busy finding military service members to photograph ( of course they couldn’t be white), someone had to be busy approving the graphic and writing the message. Who had time or the patience to get the arms out of Afghanistan when there are more important things on the agenda?August 31, 2021 1:46 pm at 1:46 pm #2004651
> back to the Comedian in Chief, $80 billion + in arms were left for the Taliban
I do not disagree. They are busy now writing new lines in the comedy:
1) “according to the advise of military Chiefs” referring to various minute decisions like leaving Kabul without picking up all citizens (green card holders and eligible refugees are not even mentioned). So, Biden makes major decisions himself (strategic – to leave, and tactical – to leave in time for 9/11 anniversary, abandon Baghram, etc), puts military into a dangerous position in an airport in the middle of the city, surrounded by Taliban “protection”, and then throws them under the bus for any decision they make after those blunders.
2) “Ending the military mission was the best way to protect the lives of our troops — and secure the prospects of civilian departures for those who want to leave Afghanistan in the weeks and months ahead,” talking points from WH to Dems leaked out today (finally, leaks started coming).
So, leave them to protect them better …
All this energy managing their reputation could have been used on thinking what could happen in advance. But, if you have a team experienced in politics, they’ll do what they know how to do.August 31, 2021 2:43 pm at 2:43 pm #2004690
Phil -“18 hostages dying in the US embassy in Iran after the Shah fall vs approximately 2,500 US service members deaths, 3,900 US contractors deaths, 1,144 other allied service deaths, approximately 50,000 Afghan civilian, national military and police deaths and 440 aid workers deaths in Afghanistan during the 20 year war. So which is worse?
Cost of the mission during the Iranian takeover of the US embassy in Iran were two helicopters vs the cost of the 20 year Afghan war which costed 1 trillion dollars which will balloon with interest to over 3 trillions dollars.
So, yes, the Afghanistan war was way, way worse than the Iran debacle.”
You’re comparing the Failures with Iran to Afghanistan.
It isn’t Comparable!
No one knows what would have happened if we didn’t go into Afghanistan!
You have to learn from History.
You’re promoting that the US should be Isolationists.
You’re not the first one.
Many people here believed that, especially before WW1 and WW2.
How many millions of Jews would have been Saved if the US would have involved themselves in WW2, two years before they actually did?!?
From the Holocaust Enclopedia:
“The America First Committee and other Non-Interventionist Groups
Numerous groups advocated against American involvement in World War II. Some, like the National Council for the Prevention of War (founded in 1921 to promote neutrality) and Keep America Out of War Congress (founded in 1938 to oppose Roosevelt’s foreign policy), predated the war. Others united multiple constituencies after the war began to lobby more effectively. Mothers who did not wish to send their sons to war, Americans of German or Italian descent, Americans of Irish descent (who opposed helping Great Britain), socialists, students, pacifists, and a host of prominent businessmen, intellectuals, and average citizens took action to prevent US intervention. Though more Republicans than Democrats advocated non-intervention, these groups were not split along partisan lines. Many antiwar advocates did not appreciate the term “isolationist” commonly used to describe them. They often argued for a strong national defense and broad economic spheres of influence, even as they tried to persuade felt the United States to stay out of war.”August 31, 2021 5:39 pm at 5:39 pm #2004715
Health, I disagree with comparing the Holocaust to the war in Afghanistan. Would you give $80+ billion worth of arms to Jews they wouldn’t run away like the Afghans did. Jews are not on drugs like the Afghans are. Jews are not part of terrorist group like Afghanis are.
Bin Laden had to be taken out and Al Qaeda destroyed to the point that they wculd not practice terrorism globally. And therefore special forces could be deployed, as there were to take out Bin Laden, and air strikes could be used to destroy much of Al Qaeda. I think it was a terrible idea to send ground forces, to attempt to build up an Afghani army and to building up Afghanistan’s infastructure.August 31, 2021 10:39 pm at 10:39 pm #2004823
Phil -“Would you give $80+ billion worth of arms to Jews they wouldn’t run away like the Afghans did.?
That was Biden’s idea to run & leave them there.
The other Presidents would make sure that the Afghan army was properly prepared, before leaving Afghanistan.
“Jews are not on drugs like the Afghans are”
Most armies everywhere are on drugs, including the US. How else do you stay up day & night?
“I think it was a terrible idea to send ground forces”
You’re in an Isolationist Dream World!
Without the Troops in Afghanistan, by now the Whole Middle East would be under ISIS’s Control!
We will see how much these US Libs capitulate to the Radicals over there.
Withdrawal from Afghanistan is the first Blooper by the Non-president called Biden.
I hope he won’t Give Iran Nukes, but I’m not counting my chickens!September 1, 2021 12:03 am at 12:03 am #2004848
Its a bit bizarre to see the frequent references here (and some right wing media) based on a “news-release” yesterday by Trump that somehow the Taliban has ended up with $80+ billion in U.S. weaponry as a result of the rushed withdrawal. Apparently the Trumpkopf was using a recent report from the Inspector General for Iran Reconstruction programs that estimated that the TOTAL
funds spent since the 2001 invasion to train, equip, house, feed etc the Afghan military and police was about $82.9 billion although no one really knows the value of the equipment that was seized by the Taliban. Most of those funds were expended prior to 2015. Numbers from a separate 2017 GAO report suggest that weapons and hardware probably accounted for $25 billion over the 20 year period. While thats a still a big number, Trump’s 340 percent exaggeration is about the norm for his “alternative facts” mentality. For the Taliban though, thats still a lot of hardware.September 1, 2021 12:47 am at 12:47 am #2004861
Health, you are right about Biden running away. However, what I really meant write is that would you give Jews in Europe 833 billion dollars worth of equipment and training would they run away from their enemies? Absolutely not.
It is not true that armies all over are on drugs. The Afghani soldiers couldn’t complete missions and they couldn’t be trained because they were always high.
It is absolutely not true that the entire ME would be under ISIS. Just the opposite. Saadam Hussein, who was secular, had tight control over these Islamist extremists so ISIS wouldn’t exist in Iraq at all. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. they all keep a tight lid on these extremists. They would only be in Afghanistan, exactly like they are already there now. Now the Taliban, Al Qaeda, and ISOS can all compete with each other.September 1, 2021 12:48 am at 12:48 am #2004874
Gadol > news-release
I am not sure what motivates you to launch partisan counter-attacks while admitting the failures of the big guy you voted for. As if you are on the campaign staff. Why not discuss what is important and how it affects all of us. Generally, number of people who disapprove of Biden went up from 44 to 49% faster than previous disapproval growth. That is, even such a disastrous performance affected just 10% of the supporters. Shows how crazy partisan we all are.September 1, 2021 10:55 am at 10:55 am #2004989jackkParticipant
Thank you, President Biden, for keeping a promise Trump made, but then abandoned when he got to office.
Trump REPEATEDLY demanded that we bring our soldiers home, but only President Biden had the political courage to do it.
Trump Oct 5th 2020 – 7:14:48 AM EST
PEACE THROUGH STRENGTH (BRING OUR SOLDIERS HOME). VOTE!
Trump May 27th 2020 – 7:54:46 AM EST
We are acting as a police force, not the fighting force that we are, in Afghanistan. After 19 years, it is time for them to police their own Country. Bring our soldiers back home but closely watch what is going on and strike with a thunder like never before, if necessary!
Trump Oct 7th 2019 – 7:40:35 AM EST
….almost 3 years, but it is time for us to get out of these ridiculous Endless Wars, many of them tribal, and bring our soldiers home. WE WILL FIGHT WHERE IT IS TO OUR BENEFIT, AND ONLY FIGHT TO WIN. Turkey, Europe, Syria, Iran, Iraq, Russia and the Kurds will now have to…..September 1, 2021 11:20 am at 11:20 am #2005003
Are you saying that since trump said a month before his second term he was going to leave but then post the election he wouldn’t bring them home?
I highly doubt itSeptember 1, 2021 11:32 am at 11:32 am #2005012
Oh jackk -“Trump REPEATEDLY demanded that we bring our soldiers home, but only President Biden had the political courage to do it.”
I guess you’re so obsessed with protecting your fake president, that you don’t have time to read all the posts!
Absurd – Like a chicken without his head.
“Obama and Trump, both wanted to get out of Afghanistan, but Safely!”September 1, 2021 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2005034
Phil -“It is not true that armies all over are on drugs. The Afghani soldiers couldn’t complete missions and they couldn’t be trained because they were always high.”
Especially the American army.
But they train & train.
That’s what the Afghan Army needed much more training.
Not a fake President, who wants a Photo Op.
“It is absolutely not true that the entire ME would be under ISIS. Just the opposite. Saadam Hussein, who was secular, had tight control over these Islamist extremists so ISIS wouldn’t exist in Iraq at all. Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc. they all keep a tight lid on these extremists”
I guess that you don’t read the News. Bush got rid of Saadam, a long time ago!
I’ll repeat -“Without the Troops in Afghanistan, by now the Whole Middle East would be under ISIS’s Control!”
All the experts from the west, Not from the so-called US government, say the Terror Threat on the West is worse than before 9/11.
But keep voting DemonCrat and see the Attacks all over the place!
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