Commentaries on Avinu Malkainu?

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    just me
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    I need a little help that I’m sure I can get from the chosheve olam here. I told my Partner in Torah that we would learn some things from the Rosh Hashana davening this year. Since she said that Avinu Malkainu is something that it said in her Reformed services, I would to learn it with her.

    Can anyone tell me some interesting explanaitions or vertlach? I am surprised to find that this information is harder to find than I thought.

    Thanks.

    #1100068

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    That is beautiful. Whatever you tell her will be fine. Use your heart.

    #1100069

    aryehm
    Participant

    I’m pretty sure that you know that the first Avinu Malkenu was recited by Rabbi Akiva at a fast day for rain. They prayed and were not answered. After the service, Rabbi Akiva descended to the Biman and said Avinu Malkenu, and immediately the sky darkened and it started raining.

    In Avinu Malkenu we declare that we speak to Hashem who is both our Father, loving and caring, and Malkenu, our King whose power is endless and who can act based solely on His desires. We ask Him to combine these attributes of love and majesty and to deal with us using His infinite mercy.

    #1100070

    feivel
    Participant

    “That is beautiful. Whatever you tell her will be fine. Use your heart”

    exactly.

    much more effective than any interesting vortlach

    and your care and concern goes straight to the Neshama

    the vertlach have to swim around in the mind for a while, right along with the Yetzer Ha’Rah

    #1100071

    squeak
    Participant

    “That is beautiful. Whatever you tell her will be fine. Use your heart.”

    That sounds like what a Reform Jew of today would say.

    #1100072

    tzippi
    Member

    re squeak: “Devarim hayotzim min halev nichnasim el halev.”

    #1100073

    feivel
    Participant

    squeak

    dont try to interpret a statement as negatively as possible

    try to have a good eye

    no one said “tell her to do whatever your heart says to do!”

    nothing like that

    the statement, if youll have a look in the context meant that in trying to explain Yiddishkeit to this temporarily reform Yid, if you dont have a good vort then tell her from the Yiddishkeit that is in your heart

    #1100074

    Pashuteh Yid
    Member

    Thank you, Feivel. The sentence Avinu Malkeinu Shlach Refuah Shleimah Lcholei Amecha does not need any vort. The words themselves should pierce the heart, and hopefully Hashem’s heart.

    #1100075

    mdlevine
    Member

    There are many kavanahs that one can have with “Avinu Malkeinu Shlach Refuah Shleimah l’Cholei Amecha” that one can discuss.

    Refuah Shleimah goes on Nefesh and Guf – one can speak of spiritual growth and this being the opportune time to continue to seek spiritual growth.

    Additionally, one can doven that the healthy remain healthy. There is no need to wait until one is sick to doven for (continued) good health for yourself or others.

    #1100076

    just me
    Participant

    Thank you aryehm and mdlevine. This is the sort of things I was looking for. I can’t just “wing it” and speak from the heart, because I’ve learned that it shows. Imagine if your child’s teacher did that. Beleive me, it shows. My partner and I have been learning together for 6 years. She is a teacher, very on the ball and an eager student.

    For those of you with time, this is a great thing to do. I love learning with my partner because besides the mitzvah, I have learned so much. We have done a cycle of parsha, part of Pirkai Avos and are now working our way through Nach. We are up to Melachim. It’s so great for me to learn Chumash and Nach as an adult. It’s totally different from school.

    #1100077

    just me
    Participant

    Thanks all for your help. The session went great. Git gebenshed yeur.

    #1100078

    mdlevine
    Member

    just me – thank you for the feedback.

    perhaps you can give us a synopsis of what you spoke about.

    Keep up the GREAT work.

    #1100079

    👑RebYidd23
    Participant

    “I can’t just “wing it” and speak from the heart, because I’ve learned that it shows.”

    It’s supposed to show. It’s a good thing. If you just quote someone else, it’s not really you.

    #1100080

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    The mishna b’rurah 584 s”k 3 writes

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    Why is this different than what we say on ??”?:

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    #1100081

    147
    Participant

    Just em:- Tell your partner that “Ovinu Malkeinu” has 37 lines/stanzas, because Yitchok Ovinu was 37 years old at time of the Akeido.

    #1100082

    I. M. Shluffin
    Participant

    I think he was 36 at the akedah. Something happened when he was 37, though. Maybe he got married? I don’t remember.

    #1100083

    screwdriverdelight
    Participant

    I counted 44 lines (???? ?????).

    He was 37. Sarah Imeinu died afterward at 127, and she was 90 years older than him. (??”? ?????? ?’ ?? ?’ ?)

    #1100084

    147
    Participant

    scared driver delight:- I bring to your attention, that the Amidah which you probably refer to as “Shemoneh Esrei” used to have 18 Benedictions, and despite addition of a 19th Benediction A.K.A. veLaMalshinim, still is known as Shemonei Esrei.

    Ovinu Malkeinu used to have 37 stanzas, and more got added over the years.

    I also refer you to Siddur Avodas Yisroel, as well as the Sefas Emes Sidur as well as Rodelheim Machor, whose Nusach still has 37 stanzas, which continues to be the Nussach recited @Yekkish Minyonim following Western European Nussach..

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