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  • #1277854

    assurnet
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    Can anyone suggest any good charedi (or charedi majority) communities that are anglo friendly outside of Yerushalayim? We are hesitant on RBS as we don’t want to drowning in anglos but we don’t want 100% Israeli either as my wife and I are both from Anglo countries and at the end of the day can’t completely connect with Israelis. So basically something with a substantial anglo representation but not overbearing.

    Hashkafically we are differently aiming for something more right wing than modern, but not extreme right as I work full time so somewhere that would accept my kids into school. Also have a shaichus to chassidus so not anywhere that only takes full fledged litaim.

    Oh, and the cheaper the rent the better!

    Any suggestions?

    #1277873

    Joseph
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    Some chasiduses have strongholds in various other towns.

    #1278510

    aymdock
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    Agan Ayalot – Plenty of us Anglos work here, but we are all charedi Americans, not just Americans in Israel. Half of the Israelis also speak English.

    #1280162

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    What’s Agan Ayalot? I never heard of that.

    #1280163

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Assurnet – I wouldn’t be so quick to rule out RBS. It is much more Israeli than people think. I think it’s actually about half Israeli.
    I think it’s actually a very good place for Americans, since you can be accepted and considered chareidi without having to fit into a box.
    Most of my RBS friends’ kids seem to be turning out really well. There is a range – some are more American and others become much more Israeli – it depends on the family. There is also a range of exactly how Chareidi they are, which I think is also nice, especially for Americans who generally have a harder time fitting in a box.

    #1280201

    yytz
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    According to Nefesh B’Nefesh, RBS is only about 20% Anglo.

    #1280211

    Joseph
    Participant

    RBS Aleph, Beis, Gimmel or Daled?

    #1280226

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    YYTZ – they are probably including the entire RBS (Alef, Bet, and Gimmel). I was only referring to Alef which is what I had assumed that assurnet was referring to. He could have also been referring to Gimmel. I don’t know much about Gimmel, but I had been under the impression that it’s similar to Alef.

    I’m still surprised that it’s 20% Anglo. Are you sure it was just referring to RBS and not to the entire Beit Shemesh. It’s true that Beit is only about 1% Anglo, but it’s teeny compared to Alef, so it shouldn’t affect the numbers that much.

    Maybe Gimmel has many more Israelis than Anglos? Also, there are some people who are neither Anglo or Israeli so I guess that changes the numbers. Still hard for me to see how it could be 20% Anglo.

    #1280227

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    Daled??? There’s a Daled????

    #1280282

    Nechomah
    Participant

    It’s also known as Givat Ze’ev HaChadashah. Good choice aymdock.

    #1280281

    assurnet
    Participant

    Sorry I didn’t really intend for this to turn into a discussion about RBS. We haven’t written it off completely but we are somewhat familiar with it already just really want to find out what other options are out there.

    #1280278

    WinnieThePooh
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    Daled is under construction, very beginning stages. Nor for sale yet- no building permits even- but there have been lotteries for the government-subsidized housing that will be built there.
    I have the impression that gimmel is more Israeli than Aleph. Gimmel-2 which is being built now, and probably ready in a year, will have a number of chashidish communities. Even in Aleph, the percent varies depending what street you are on, and what schools you choose. But your concern about RBS is real- there are enough Anglos here, and infrastructure (English-only shuls, American style schools and summer camps) that one can live comfortably without ever really integrating into Israeli society. One has to make a conscious effort to integrate.
    Beitar is more Israeli, with an Anglo presence, have some chasidish elements as well (especially in B, although probably fewer Anglos there) but I am not sure how comfortable you will feel there as a working chareidi.
    I think the reason that so many Anglos end up in RBS is because there are not so many communities outside of Yerushalayim that an Anglo would fit into.

    #1280275

    aymdock
    Participant

    The new part of Givat Ze’ev. There is a “vaad ichlus,” so don’t expect America. Expect America<u>ns</u> who are charedi.

    #1280302

    shuni
    Participant

    can i ask which chassidus you belong to. it makes a big difference. we are chasidi and have more or less found our place (har nof). maybe we can help advise you

    #1280300

    Joseph
    Participant

    There’s no good reason to integrate into or with Israeli culture.

    #1280424

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
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    “But your concern about RBS is real- there are enough Anglos here, and infrastructure (English-only shuls, American style schools and summer camps) that one can live comfortably without ever really integrating into Israeli society. One has to make a conscious effort to integrate.”

    But if you do want to, you can.

    “Beitar is more Israeli, with an Anglo presence, have some chasidish elements as well (especially in B, although probably fewer Anglos there) but I am not sure how comfortable you will feel there as a working chareidi.”

    I had the same thoughts about Beitar. It might be worth looking into, but I was concerned that it might be too “right-wing” for you.

    #1280458

    The different parts of RBS seem to be geared to different people. Isn’t Gimmel more chareidi then Aleph?

    #1280485

    Lilmod Ulelamaid
    Participant

    A comment made by DY on a different thread made me realize that we should be careful what we write here. When comparing communities, one can veer dangerously close to loshon hora.

    Thank you DY! (even though that wasn’t your point :))

    I think that since Assurnet isn’t even interested in discussing RBS, maybe it’s time to stop talking about it (and yes, I know I’m the one who started.)

    #1280575

    briskerchumra
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    You should look into Givat Zeev Hachadasha (Agan Haayalot) and Telz Stone (Kiryat Ye’arim).
    Neve Yaakov in yerushalayim has from the cheapest rent in Yerushalayim and many anglos there.

    If you are willing to live in a small town settlement, 45 min. from yerushalayim, look into Meitzad and Maale Amos (in Gush Etzion) where they have started building more houses recently. They are 100% chareidi. Super cheap there – $150k for a house.

    #1280624

    assurnet
    Participant

    I honestly don’t mind somewhere super right-wing. My main concern is just that as I work full time and am not in learning I wouldn’t want to have issues with getting my kids into school in a super right wing community. I’d love to be in kollel but I just don’t have the financial means to make that a reality

    #1280629

    assurnet
    Participant

    We’re Breslov, but very oldschool – we’re not involved with any of the known groups like Shuvu Banim, Chut shel Chesed or Rav Koenig’s kehillah. Also very connected to Sefardim and I often daven at Sefardi shuls. To top it all off we send our kids to litvish schools – so this nice chullent helps add to the challange of finding a good fit for a community!!

    #1280641

    assurnet
    Participant

    Wow those sound like some great leads – I’m going to check them out. Thanks!

    #1280643

    assurnet
    Participant

    BTW, as far as those communities in the Gush do you know if they have their own schools or do people send their kids somewhere else? If so where?

    #1280648

    shuni
    Participant

    assurnet my friend we are also ‘old school Breslov’ close to Chaim Kramer. can you email me or we can talk. people are suggetsing places where people will look at you like you dropped out of the sky. givat zeev, neve yaakov, the gush, telzstone – all wonderful places but as a Breslov inclined family you will stick out like a sore thumb

    you need places which are Breslov-friendly even if not 100% Breslov. pls listen to me its much more divided here than in chu”l. we have been here 12 years and know the system a little.
    there are Breslov communities in Beitar, Modiin Ilit, ,Tsfas, all the Bet Shemesh’s, various neubghbourhoods in Jerusalem. but you must choose carefully. who are you close to in Breslov who can guide you.

    #1280679

    WinnieThePooh
    Participant

    Maybe Moshav Matityahu?

    #1280728

    assurnet
    Participant

    Shuni I’d love to be in touch – Mod’s can you arrange that?

    Sorry, no.

    I’m close to a few amazing but relatively low key people in Breslov who unfortunately haven’t been able to brainstorm up a great solution as of yet. I actually asked Reb Chaim eitza a few years ago about communities but he said he couldn’t really help as he hasn’t been in that parsha for quite a long time.

    #1280805

    yytz
    Participant

    You can see the website for yourself, but from what I remember it was about RBS, not BS, and it basically said nobody’s making aliyah to Bet, so it’s unclear if they included Bet (or Gimel). I don’t know where they get the stats — it could be off the top of their head.

    #1280809

    yytz
    Participant

    Another independent Breslover here! I know you said you’re not affiliated with Chut Shel Chesed, but I recommend calling up R’ Lazer Brody anyway and asking his advice about where to move. He knows all of Israel very well and may give you a good idea of where you would fit in.

    Since you work full-time and are independent-minded, I wonder whether you might enjoy being in a mixed dati-leumi/chardali/charedi area (as opposed to a mainly charedi area), perhaps with some baalei teshuvah and Chavakuk (Chabad-Breslov-Kook) types. Not sure where that would be. Just a thought. Hatzlacha!

    #1280903

    assurnet
    Participant

    Hey aymdock – we took a short drive through there today – it looks really nice. Is there any contentedness there though, or is it just a bunch of anglos who happen to live there?

    We’re currently in Ramot and there are a fair amount of charedi anglos but they are all scattered around the place so it’s hard to really connect to them. There are like two more established anglo communities here but they are both dati leumi.

    #1280913

    Joseph
    Participant

    Americans who are Chareidi are like others.

    #1281155

    yehudayona
    Participant

    I don’t think there are a lot of rentals in Matityahu. There are no apartment buildings and the houses aren’t cheap.

    #1281162

    assurnet
    Participant

    Is anyone familiar with Yavniel at all?

    #1281167

    briskerchumra
    Participant

    for breslovers only, of the Schick clan. I dont know if any anglos are there. I think there might be a few.

    My suggestions above were made, not knowing that you are breslov. Being that you are breslov, you need a place with bresolovers.

    Maybe you should look into Tsefas, there are a few anglo breslovers there. Beitar and Kiryat Sefer and Beit shemesh are options also. I dont know if there are any breslovers in neve yaakov, there definitely are chassidim.

    #1281173

    ChaimAharon
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    I don’t know why my post was never put in here, but I replied to you right away.
    Check out Beit Chatam in Rechovot.

    Sorry, links are not allowed

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