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August 10, 2025 9:48 am at 9:48 am #2435799none2.0Participant
Conformity and morality are two concepts that deal with how individuals behave in society, but they are distinct in important ways:
Conformity refers to the act of aligning one’s behaviors, beliefs, or attitudes with those of a group, social norms, or authority figures.
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The primary motivation for conformity is social acceptance, avoiding rejection, or fitting in with the group. Or fear of not measuring up.It is often influenced by external pressures, such as peer influence, societal expectations, or the desire for approval.
Examples:
Wearing certain clothes because everyone else is.Agreeing with the opinions of a group to avoid standing out, even if you don’t personally agree.
Following traffic laws simply because everyone else is doing it.Morality:
Morality is a system of principles and values that distinguish right from wrong. It is often based on ethical beliefs, personal conscience, or cultural values.Motivation: The motivation for moral behavior comes from an internal sense of what is right or wrong, often guided by personal ethics, moral codes, or religious beliefs.
Nature: It is about doing what is believed to be right, even if it goes against group norms or societal expectations.
ExamplesTelling the truth, even if it might cause discomfort or disapproval from others.
Standing up for what is right, even if it’s unpopular or could lead to personal loss.
Helping others in need out of a sense of duty or compassion, rather than out of social pressure.
Key Differences:
External vs. Internal: Conformity is often driven by external pressures (group norms, social expectations), while morality is driven by internal beliefs about right and wrong.
In some cases, conforming to societal norms can align with what is considered moral (e.g., laws against stealing). However, there can also be situations where conformity leads to immoral actions (e.g., following harmful societal trends or participating in unethical behaviors because “everyone else is doing it”).
In short, conformity is about fitting in with external expectations, while morality is about doing what you believe is right based on internal values, regardless of what others do.
August 11, 2025 3:26 am at 3:26 am #2436161ujmParticipantMorality is defined by the Torah. Nothing more and nothing less.
Conformity is demanded by the Torah on many issues. And on many other issues, conformity is highly appropriate, even if not explicitly demanded by the Torah.
August 11, 2025 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm #2436512Sam KleinParticipantIt’s very sad that such a large percentage of frum yidden feel they MUST follow the Jones even if they are broke in debt or else…… instead of facing reality. And then everyone is complaining about why they can’t afford tuition fees or wedding expenses etc….. why didn’t they think about these things beforehand? Instead of throwing their money down the drain on unnecessary EXTRAS and instead put the money away for your next upcoming family Simcha or your daughters Seminary year?
Start FACING REALITY today and make a budget living on one sentence “GET WHAT YOU NEED NOT WHAT YOU WANT”
August 12, 2025 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2437036none2.0ParticipantFirst of all it might be time for us to think outside the box regarding school and weddings.
You can make weddings the size of a vort. And have seating outside and dancing outside for guests.
There so many alternative options.
But everyone is too ashamed to be different
Cuz the force of judgment is so strong
We don’t know how not to conform.
Funny how our wallets hold different amounts of money
Our eyes are different colors
Our tastes are diff
But we all have caved to the same goal and condending judgment from those who have more
G-d made us all unique with unique circumstances.
If someone judges you
Thats because they think that they were the ones who gave themselves their own circumstancesAugust 12, 2025 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2437037none2.0ParticipantUjm Torah is book of _reality_ and outlines what morality is _in_ reality.
Conformity is actually not a normal healthy thing.
Cuz pressure can make people do things that are corrupt.
Just look at sadom and gemorah. It prob had a lot to do with social pressure and fear.
Nothing in the Torah says anything about conformity.August 12, 2025 11:55 am at 11:55 am #2437040none2.0ParticipantHighly appropriate. Demanded. All demeaning language. Ye ok.
You don’t conform yourself
It is demanded not to speak lashon hara
Oh right you heard I wasn’t Orthodox so it was commanded that you publicly humiliate me
The point is you, as a free agent, choose whatever you want when it’s convenient for you
So _i_ choose what I believe based off what Ive Observed in the same fashion
You cannot force people who are free agents, (as you have clearly presented yourself) to do anything other then what they want and feel is right for themselves.
Conformity is control
Humans don’t thrive off controlAugust 13, 2025 9:42 am at 9:42 am #2437333mdd1Participantnone2.0, stop with your apikorsus! If you want to learn something – stay and learn, but stop posting your kefira.
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