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On a well deserved victory, for him, for Alabama, for the Senate and for America!
Are you joking? Roy Moore has stated, on the record, that he believes that Christian law comes before American law when he was a judge. How do you want him in the Senate?
Hey Sam…his comment was “God and Country in that order’ and executive branch should nullify any law that violated Christian beliefs….cabinet officers must affirm a belief in “a Christian-Judaic God”, a tzelem in all public buildings, etc….
I won’t bother commenting further on this jerk….I think the Senate would be better off with Judge Judy
1. ” a tzelem in all public buildings” would offend Protestants
2. The “Christian Right” has not be our enemy in this country in modern times, if it ever was. Unlike their cousins across the pond, American Christians (go back to Roger Williams in the 17th century) have generally supported Jewish civil rights. Now that Christians are a minority, and sometimes a persecuted minority, we have no reason not be encouraged by their electoral successes.
3. Non-frum Jews, who dream of a universe “free from religion” will be outraged. Frankly, I would prefer a universe free from the secular fanatics who reject those of us who still “cling to religion” as they say. Senator Moore is as deplorable as they come, and its time that the deplorables (which includes us, like it or not) have a representative in the Congress.
The Christian 10 commandments are different than the jewish 10 commandments
He’s running for U.S. Senator, not king. Regardless of his goals, he’s not going to change any laws unless a lot of other Senators and Representatives agree with him.
Akuperma
“Senator Moore is as deplorable as they come, and its time that the deplorables (which includes us, like it or not) have a representative in the Congress.”
The last time someone used that argument in relation to a Southern Judge was when an incredibly undistinguished judge (Harold Carlswell) with strong racist and misogynistic credentials was nominated to the Supreme Court to replace Justice Abe Fortas. In defense against charges that Carswell was at best “mediocre”, Senator Roman Hruska, an equally undistinguished Nebraska Republican, passionaltely made the following argument
“…. there are a lot of mediocre people [in the United States] and we are entitled to a little representation too, aren’t we…. We can’t have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos [on the Supreme Court}.”לא תחנם?
In other words, he advocates enacting Biblical law into American law.
Allow me to correct that for you.
He advocates enacting Biblical law according to Christian understanding into American law.
Given Judaism’s long and horrific history under states that where Christian religious law was the basis for the law of the land, I find it utterly amazing that any Jew with any sense of Jewish history would favor any step towards basing the law of the land on Christian religious doctrine.
The Wolf
Wasn’t it, and still is, a bit near to the holiday for so many to argue based off of nothing more than heresay and web-blog gossip? I didn’t see anything in his 10 minute speech victory that is aligned with half of these posts. Nor did I see such things when I actually read some of his opinions, which are actually quite good on a religious freedom angle. Although I have not read ALL of his opinions, I’m not sure anyone has, but the ones I have seen were quite sound.
Gadolhador: Roman Hruska lived in a different era. Back then the Democratic party’s backbone were the “deplorables”. That was the era when Joseph Lieberman was a well known Democrat (they eventually kicked him out the party). And one should note that while Cardozo was a largely OTD who supported some Orthodox institutions, the other two justices you mention were Reform Jews who were not know for any sympathy for Orthodox Jews. What matter to us is people who will not oppose our existence, and that means conservatives. Secular liberals believe that frum Jews should have the exact same rights as religious Christians – which is no rights at all.
Wolfishmusings, no Jew with any sense of Jewish history ever did favor any step towards basing the law of the land on Christian religious doctrine.
Actually the Anglo-American political and legal traditions are based on a Xtian understanding of Tanach. All of the British and American philosophers were lovers of Tanach. John Selden even learned from Rabbi Menashe ben Yisrael. Atthe time ofthe Revolution every American college required students to learn Tanach in the original Hebrew (Madison, BTW, was fluent in the language). The argument over slavery was largely an argument between Protestant missionaries over the Tanach’s attitude towards the peculiar institution in general and black slavery (because of Ham’s curse) in particular.
I personally have no problem with this. A Xtian America would be much better for Israel (as well as Jews in America) than a secular America. Personally though, I am hoping that the interface with Islam will bring both closer to the sheva mitzvot.
Joseph,
As a judge you have the obligation to enforce the rules of the land.
Separation of powers is what makes America great. Don’t just don’t get to decide to create laws, just to interpret and sometimes reflect on the constitutionality of a law. That’s it.If he believes he cannot be an American judge because he’s a Christian, he shouldn’t have applied for the job
Joe….”no Jew should antagonize our temporary hosts by telling them we are their equals or that this isn’t their country more than ours….”
Yes, we should confront our hosts and tell them loudly and forcefully we ARE their equals and this IS as much our country as theirs, and we will push back against anyone who acts to the contrary.
Dor, do you daven for Hashem to return all of Am Yisrael to the USA? Do you think that the Bet HaMikdash will be built in Brooklyn, Monsey or Lakewood?
Just a matter of time before this nitwit blames yesterday’s mass murder on the immorality of the residents of Las Vegas and the pritzus the City is known for (like he implied for the Orlando shooting, and other tragedies).
Joseph, good point about liberal activist judges. It’s terrible, and that’s why it’s more painful when I so cold conservative does the same thing.
Since you’re a fan of his, I’m sure you know the reason why he was removed from the bench twice.
That’s the definition of an activist judgeIs “I so cold” supposed to be “a so called”?
Mwah-h-ha-ha!
I thought he lost
When this thread was started, Moore had one the runoff for the Republican nomination. It was not for the election yesterday. The threads are dated so you can tell when it was started.
Is “I so cold” supposed to be “a so called”?
I so cold
After hearing the seemingly endless stream of vile comments from this pedophile and racist, including blatantly anti-Semitic blood libels against Jews who don’t accept his ‘savior”, I would have expected the originator of this thread to crawl into a hole and disappear for a while. No such good fortune but at least the people of Alabama seem to agree that there is a point where you say enough is enough. I’m not expecting Alabama to become a blue state nor am I confident they can hold on to this Senate seat in the next election when a mainstream Republican is the candidate but at least for a moment in time, they followed the admonition of the great political philosopher (and basketball player), Alabama native Charles Barkley…”common Alabama, we’ve got to show the world we’re not a bunch of idiots”.
Joe – “He lost because the Democrat dirty tricks machine of where one of their in-house outlets, the Washington Post, published false allegations against Moore, and its goal was successful.”
WRONG!
He lost because moderate Republicans don’t trust him.
He was twice thrown out from the Alabama Supreme Court!Joe -“sticking up for traditional marriage and against toeiva “marriage” (the second time.) That’s what America needs; not the meckelech who say “oy, the Supreme Court ruled against common sense and traditional values, so we must now all fall in line with the new immoral zeitsgeist.””
WRONG Again!
This country needs s/o who follows our LAWS! Otherwise we’ll end up like Nazi Germany!
As far as Toivah, we need either SCOTUS to reverse their decision or an Amendment to the US Constitution!Health, following laws while ignoring morality is not going to prevent us ending up like Nazi Germany.
Moore was stabbed in the back by the Republican “establishment” (aka “Wall Street Republicans” or “Country Club Republicans”). For the Republicans to win, they need to bring together both the “establishment”, the Conservatives wing, and Trump’s “deplorables” base (who like Trump, could switch between parties). If the different wings of the Republicans can’t work together, and insist on opposing the other wing even after losing a primary, we have a socialist government in little more than three years (3 years, 1 month, eight day) with socialized medicine no choice of doctors allowed, the state makes all decisions, persecution of anyone who doesn’t support the LGBT agenda, a national policy of freedom “from” religion, and a deliberately weakened national defense that will help our (meaning the frum community’s ) enemies. Moore is a very typical Christian conservative charged with nothing worse than having dated teenagers when in his 30s (which is respectable in many cultures, including his own), and his betrayal by the Republican establishment suggests the Republicans need to “get their act together” fast.
Joseph, what do you have to say about him publicly stating
that he did not receive a salary from his charity while he
actually did receive a considerable salary from it, a fact he
did not feel the need to report to the IRS?
(Also, harassing and dating are not the same thing.)akuperma
“Moore is a very typical Christian conservative charged with nothing worse than having dated teenagers when in his 30s (which is respectable in many cultures, including his own)”I’m not sure if you are serious. But just becasue it my be respectable in any cultures doesn tmake it acceptable.
And he has many views that are not “typical Christian Conservative” let alone “very typical” including his belief that Muslims shouldnt be allowed to serve in congress, that the period of slavery “was great” that private acts between consenting adults should be regulated by the federal government. You very well may share these views, and that is obviously your rigt. but they cannot be described as “typical” views.Such accusations against many people are only coming out now,
and it is common for them to be withheld for long periods of time.joseph
Im not clear on wha tour point is.If you are arguing that dating multiple teenagers, and molesting some of them is not a big deal, then whats the problem so the media reported it and it is no different than “rich very old goyim marrying very young girls.”
Your argument seems a bit circular. He was maligned with “false allegations”. well if the allegations are “respectable” and “not uncommon” what is the big deal?
At any rate, as mentioned even without these allegations. He is far from “mainstream”
Joseph, unless you’re a navi, you have no way of knowing whether the accusations are true or false. Clearly a lot of people think they are true. There’s pretty good evidence that Moore’s claim that he didn’t even know his accusers is false. This isn’t a court case, so the presumption of innocence is irrelevant. I suspect that if a leftist had similar baggage, you’d be the first to ready the gallows.
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