April 11, 2020 10:55 pm at 10:55 pm #1848578
There is a strong likelihood that the governors of NY and NJ will order ALL schools to remain closed beyond the current late April scheduled date and not resume classes until September. What are the contingency plans for yeshivos to provide online remote instruction for their students if the kids must remain at home until after the summer? This may require some really creative instructional strategies for segments of the tzibur that have not historically used the internet and are likely to be reluctant to do so now, even under these extraordinary circumstances.April 12, 2020 12:09 am at 12:09 am #1848621Yserbius123Participant
I can’t speak for everyone, but I know that a Yeshiva I am affiliated with are dragging their feet. They claim that their refusal to do an organized online class is to accommodate those who don’t have Internet access. But they haven’t come up with an alternative and so far are acting like this will all blow over by the time Bein HaZmanim is over, which is really infuriating.April 12, 2020 12:09 am at 12:09 am #1848622
There are no coodinated contingency plans.Each school will have to make their own plans. I am of the opinion tha they were not aware of DeBlasio’s statement or Cuomo’s reaction until they msde havdalah tonight. I would give them a chance to talk among themselves tomorrow and Monday and would not expect any announcements until after Pesach. If people do not use the internet they will have to talk to experts like TAG on how they need to use technology for their children’s education.April 12, 2020 7:45 am at 7:45 am #1848655
My children’s school Rebbie’s did opt to use Zoom and the kids gained immeasurably. My sisters children school did not. They opted for phone teleconferencing instead for basically the same reason the author offered. Her children were not well served. I think if the din is that we don’t disturb children from their Torah learning even if the Bet Hamikdash needs the Rebbi’s skills, he is not allowed to leave the classroom. So, I reason, if the children’s learning is so important, then the best contingency plan have to be put forth. On line is far superior to teleconferencing. Schools must be challenged by the parents and they must do the on line option. It’s a no-brainer. It’s the Torah learning of the children that brought about the miracle of Purim and it’s their Torah learning that has to be maximized now too. EditedApril 12, 2020 7:46 am at 7:46 am #1848657Doing my bestParticipant
Lakewood schools were using phone conferences before pesach and it’s working great. Internet is not needed.
But why am i getting the feeling that certain posters here are annoyed that some people don’t use internet. You want to use internet, good. they don’t, also good. Why does it bother you? if that’s how they want to live their lives leave them alone.
Of course i may be overthinking things, so just let me know if i am.April 12, 2020 7:47 am at 7:47 am #1848703JosephParticipant
The Yeshivos and Beis Yaakovs are all already using telephone teleconferencing classes.
So there’s no issue here.April 12, 2020 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1848757
“But why am i getting the feeling that certain posters here are annoyed that some people don’t use internet. ”
You get that feeling because it’s true. And she’s been called out on it and just can’t seem to give it up. Hasn’t this call for change affected you at all, GH? Can you show us a crack in your false front? What gives?
Two of my 4 kids currently enrolled in school are using dial in and 2 are using internet (google classroom or zoom). My assessment is that the teachers are working their tails off to present material, monitor the students, keep in touch and manage with their own homes and i say thanks yoto them all. Some venues work better for different learners than others, just like in real life. And the challange is to find reason to be thankful in everything life deals you.April 12, 2020 12:39 pm at 12:39 pm #1848786
There is no agenda here. From what I’ve read here on YWN, some schools that had not previously used internet are now using it to some limited degree and others are now using it for the first time with good results. Others have used phone conferencing on an interim basis, hoping that the schools would be allowed to reopen sometime in later April. In any event, the majority of schools now have to decide whether to continue these interim arrangements for the long-term and develop an affirmative contingency plan if they stay closed. A telephonic system that worked for 2 weeks may not be sufficient for 2 months or longer.April 12, 2020 12:40 pm at 12:40 pm #1848784a maminParticipant
I hear they’re making school in the summer to catch up.April 12, 2020 12:41 pm at 12:41 pm #1848781rationalParticipant
I don’t have to explain why all people should be using the internet. If I do explain, it will be heavily edited.
However, people run their own lives, and if they choose to live without internet, it’s their choice and their consequences.
One thing is certain. If one starts using the internet, there’s no turning back. If the yeshivas feel that the dangers of the internet are too great, it makes sense for them to use an inferior means of teaching for a few months. Corona will eventually leave us, but the effects of internet use will not. For the yeshivas, it is not a simple choice, and one has to respect them if they decide to forego the internet option.April 12, 2020 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1848796
Rational – very well said about opening the internet door. Something i worry very much about.
I don’t understand your misrepresentation of phone school as inferior. One small example: my daughter received a large packet of work to go along with the phone classes. She sat at the table with the phone on speaker and her papers. When i peeked in on my son on google classroom i had to remind him to turn down the chat requests, close the music tabs and ignore incoming notifications. Not quite the same.April 12, 2020 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1848792
“A telephonic system that worked for 2 weeks may not be sufficient for 2 months or longer.”
Why not?April 12, 2020 12:58 pm at 12:58 pm #1848793
“One thing is certain. If one starts using the internet, there’s no turning back..”
I think you may be overstating it a bit. If a school hands out chromebooks to its talmidim (as one yeshiva has done) for the duration of the school closing, and uses them on a limited basis for the duration of the closing, there is no reason they cannot return to their regular system of chinuch once the schools physically reopen. There are very innovative contingency plans being reported. To address the lack of home broadband access, one school has set up hotspots at three local mosdos so the parents can drive to the parking lot and download materials for their kids. Again, this will not work for all (e.g. in some cases both parents and kids lack any computer skills) but it is mindless to simply not have a plan, even if that plan contemplates doing the best possible job w/o computer technology for remote instruction.April 12, 2020 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #1848805
We’ve got to do what’s best to promote Torah learning as well as protecting our children. If we do it for K’vod Shamayim, Hashem will protect our children’s purity and kedudusha. Whatever we do let’s do it for His Kavod and His Torah and His children. Let’s not let our personal views interfere with what’s best.
As for tge phone having worked gor two weeks, come on, be honest, can that work long term? Secondly, because it worked for girls, can it also work the same for boys? Boys and girls two different worlds, you know!April 12, 2020 1:58 pm at 1:58 pm #1848807
If your son needs your intervention that’s an issue that is broader than yeshiva over Zoom. Overall it is a better choice if children see their rebbe or morah. It’s a superior learning. No?April 12, 2020 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #1848819
Telephonic home-schooling is fine if the parents are able to work with the kids real time. Its obviously less effective when the parents are unable to assist, for whatever reason. Likewise, some teachers rely upon visibility of their talmidim to sense when they are in need of direct assistance or are not understanding what is being taught. That element of chinuch is lost when there is no direct contact.
Again, every school and every situation is different and there is no “one-size fits all” policy that works everywhere. However, in crisis characterized by incredible uncertainty, there needs to be planning for a wide range of possible outcomes. B”Yh we will be back to some semblance of “normality” sooner rather than later.April 12, 2020 2:08 pm at 2:08 pm #1848837
“. It’s a superior learning. No?”
No, not as a rule. I think a live call is more contact than a video. And i don’t think there is ANYTHING out there in the universe (except maybe a newborn) as distracting as a computer screen.April 12, 2020 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1848844
Syag Lchochma, we’re talking about live video interactivity with rebbe/morah and all the classmates. Check it out! It’s far superior. Children see rebbe enlarged on their screen, they can ask questions when they raise their hand and rebbe unmutes them. It’s amazing. I watched my children learning. In fact they were so well prepared for the sedarim.
Clearly it appears to me that many posters do not know the ability and effectiveness of this temporary classroom setup. It’s worth exploring during chol hamoeid.April 12, 2020 3:57 pm at 3:57 pm #1848891
syag:n I saw zoom in action where my son’s rebbe was able to hold up flash cards, posters, the daf in the gemora to show the place. A live call is more contact then video? please dont make us laugh.I am not trying to convince those without internet to allow it. At the same time you cant hamper the yeshivos from trying to use the best products available.April 12, 2020 4:13 pm at 4:13 pm #1848893
My seventh grader isn’t holding by flashcards.April 12, 2020 4:31 pm at 4:31 pm #1848895
“At the same time you cant hamper the yeshivos from trying to use the best products available”
I don’t remember being given any type of authority to do so. I don’t think i even said they should. I was just expressing my opinion based on my experience, which seems to annoy you because it doesn’t match yours. Not my issue.April 12, 2020 8:32 pm at 8:32 pm #1849005
you opinion doest annoy me as Daniel Patrick Moynhan said everyone is entitled to an opinion; not their own facts. i saw zoom in action and can state outright how it has benefits over teleconferencing. If you havent seen a rebbe teach over zoom I am not sure how you can give an opinion.April 12, 2020 8:37 pm at 8:37 pm #1849018
” If you havent seen a rebbe teach over zoom I am not sure how you can give an opinion.”
Cuz i did.
And attended several myself.
Still not sure why it bothers you.April 12, 2020 8:53 pm at 8:53 pm #1849020
An obvious seperate issue is the talents of the teachers. Just as in the classroom, i would expect certain teachers could pull together some beautiful zoom sessions, google classroom videos or teleconference classes while others less comfortable with the medium will be less able to do so. That will greatly affect the success rate of the teaching/learning experience.
Sounds like your kids have talented teachers. Count your blessings.
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