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I learned a while ago that it’s not permissible on Dhabbos to rip off a tag from an item of clothing, but that it is permissible to tear open a plastic bag containing something you want or need (ie. A Jewish magazine is inside a closed plastic…) . Now this week, I went to a hilchos Shabbos Shiur and the rabbi said you may tear off a tag from clothing (he said it would be much worse to go outside with the tag still on, as that’s carrying!), but that you may not rip open a plastic covering to get a magazine out from inside! Help!
I think you should have a personal rav or posek and ask him.
Anyway, according to the little I remember from the 39 melachos sefer from rabbi ribiat, the first is correct. Don’t know about going out on shabbos with it, though.
I believe Rabbi Ribiat says that both are permitted. But don’t take my word for it.
Like said above, CYLOR.
I’m not a Rav, but I’ll add my 2 cents of analysis.
Removing a tag (the kind which is never worn) from a new garment is preparing the garment for use. That is Makeh DePatish, putting a finishing touch (see Shabbat 75b). Possibly a Torah level violation of Shabbat.
Tearing open a plastic bag to get what is inside is at most a rabbinical prohibition of mekalkel, destruction. All prohibited-from-the-Torah acts on Shabbat are constructive, except for carrying (which is not constructive but forbidden by the Torah). Purely destructive acts are prohibited rabbinically.
I don’t think that wearing a price tag on a garment is considered a violation of a Torah level melacha. That’s not the usual way of carrying. Could be rabbinically forbidden.
AFAIK, the first Rav is more correct, but as said before consult a posek.
You can use a knife to take off a tag from an item of clothing, and it isn’t makes b’patish since the tag wasn’t originally part of the clothing, and was temporary. See shemiras shabbos ehilchasa 15:63.
first of all, the word is ‘piskei’.
Second of all, regarding what MDG seemed to say that it’s [at most] forbidden rabinically, it should be permissible, based on Orach Chayyim 314:8.
Eilu v’eilu divrei Elokim chayim. Have a good Shabbos.
Tearing open the bag seems similar to the case of tearing open an envelope to get to a letter, which is a machlokes acharonim.
What type of tag is being referred to? Is it possible the two rabbonim were referring to different types? The sewn on type is a bigger problem than one attached with a single nylon (plastic) thread.
Taking off a tag might be makkeh b’patish if you would not wear the garment with the tag. Opening the bag might be tikun keli depending on how the bag was made and if you would use it for other things. The best thing to do is to rip it such that it is not reusable.
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