Controversial opinion (T)

The government does not consider a child a property to sell. You yourself are forbidden to commit suicide according the Torah. Slavery and human traficking is forbidden and we say on this דיני דמלכותא דיני.

Oy gevalt this is the second dangerous post i see in 3 minutes.

Your child is not your property. Are you you out of your mind? I sincerely hope you don’t have children if this us your real belief.

If you are joking, not funny. Don’t make jokes that could be taken as serious by impressionable people

I’m coming to defend rebyidd,

If the government gives you the ability to “abandon” your child at (a fire station) a place then it has to be yours because if it wasn’t yours to sell for sure you couldn’t abandon it

13 Amendment to the US Constitution made sale of humans illegal. It was called slavery

1, who decides? Anyway, Rav Ovadia says that there is (Yechavei Daat 4:65 and 5:64).

CTL,
a. Rav Moshe says that if he was sold in order to free him there is no problem. This is his solution to adopting a non-Jewish child who might do miun when he grows up IM, YD 1:162.
b. The 13th Amendment only says that slavery shall not exist and that Congress may enforce it by appropriate legislation. Is there a law that bars buying someone in order to free him? What if he was bought in a country that allows slavery?

could anyone explain to me why are we even discussing this????????????

Troll. Uh-huh. Who put that there, in the title? The Original Poster? Or the Moderators?

did it ever cross your mind that some people post just to get a reaction?

RebYidd, what’s gotten into you? You used to post in full sentences and spelled out your words. Now U R doing s/t different.

Reb yid
Since when does predicting the way an argument will
Go equal winning it?

Why can’t you sell your child
Ever heard of אמה עבריה?
Sale date expires 12.6
I’m not suggesting you can do it it today’s world, but it can’t be wrong, objectively

Avi
While I am familiar with that position, it is definitely a דעת יחיד and a dangerous one to utilize on our own
Pig is only forbidden because in those days…..
Marrying an aunt is only forbidden because…..
As a matter of fact before matan Torah people married their sisters, maybe that too is only assur temporarily
Lighting fires on shabbos is only assur because it was tons of work…..
Wearing shatnez is only assur because…..

You can negate any part of the Torah you are so inclined, with that line of reasoning.
Rav kook was a great man. But He certainly was an original thinker

Among these were the אשת יפת תואר and slavery
Really??the Gemarah says
המשחרר עבדו עובר בעשה שנאמר לעולם בהם תעבודו
That’s a temporary measure?
And when does it end?
Why do we have no guidance?
“warning this מצווה will expire after xx years “??
Sorry I don’t buy it
Maybe אתרוג too. Only applicable when we lived in an agrarian society
תפילין only before we “woke ” and weren’t so cognizant of animal rights
And on and on

I don’t hear anyone exploring the potential for selling your wife versus your children. In some cases, this would be a more progressive idea given that there already is a secondary market “varbeshe zacht”.

K, you are correct. Only a gadol like Rav Kook can say it – and part of being a gadol is being an original thinker. Chazal say it regarding the אשת יפת תואר. We also see at the end of Megillat Esther it is noted that the Jews did not take booty. Yet in the Chumash it is clear that it was permitted.

its their property
That’s mistake number one.

and no 1 shld interfere w/ the free market.
And that’s mistake number two.

The Wolf

RE,
1. Shaul did not prohibit it. Hashem prohibited it – and Shaul violated orders.
2. The order to Shaul was a one-time mitzva.
2. Who says that that was the reason?
4. Not all of the enemies were Amalekites. Many were opportunists.

Avi K, Look at Rashi that if we take anything from amolek, we have not desttoyed its memory. Rashi is clear, so I don’t know what the Minchas Chinuch’s 604 , problem is. It only applies after the coming of Meshiach because we currently don’t know who amolek is.