December 29, 2020 10:19 am at 10:19 am #1933067ubiquitinParticipant
I’m not sure the answer to your question (Its a good one)
a related (strictly hypothetical) question would be is it muttar/appropriate for the administrators of the vaccine to let you cut the line ? help you cut the line?
This seems like less of a question to me. For YOU to cut you can argue chayecha kodem, you come first and if there are limited vaccines, you want to take care of yourself, a principal that certainly has basis in halacha (Though I’m not saying that would be the final decision in your hypothetical case just that there is a legitimate discussion) for them to help you or even let you cut seems less justifiable
(None of this comment is directly related to the subject of the OP whci his not really described in Meno’s questionDecember 29, 2020 10:49 am at 10:49 am #1933081
Why is your blood redder than someone else’s blood?December 29, 2020 10:55 am at 10:55 am #1933094
But I don’t think that’s relevant in the situation I posed. Everyone on line will get the vaccine, although some people will wait longer than others. Granted there’s a small possibility that some people will die while waiting. I’m asking whether that categorizes this as a case of pikuach nefesh which is docheh most issurim.December 29, 2020 11:34 am at 11:34 am #1933107emes nisht shekerParticipant
DY – I would think as long as it is reasonable to assume that the governments policy is trying to save life, it is a chillul Hashem. Just because you think another approach is better, I don’t think that gets you past dina d’malchusa… Also, these vaccines belong to the government and were paid for with government funds, which would mean you are stealing (whether halacha technically allows that or not, notwithstanding) something you may not even have a right to in the first place (it belongs to the government and they can decide how to give it out… You are welcome to go to Pfizer and see if you can buy it yourself). Finally, even if you, personally, can justify cutting the line because your own life takes precedence, that is not a justification for someone to divert the vaccine for others.December 29, 2020 11:35 am at 11:35 am #1933113
I don’t think chayecha kodmin applies here. You don’t have to give up your place in line but don’t jump ahead. A person can kill someone in order not to get killed or steal from someone because of chayecha kodmin.December 29, 2020 12:17 pm at 12:17 pm #1933143
If two starving people see food that can save one of them, either person can attempt to grab it first to save themselves.December 29, 2020 12:57 pm at 12:57 pm #1933174
Do you think that case is comparable to the case I described?December 29, 2020 1:15 pm at 1:15 pm #1933184
Meno, if someone has water, he does not have to share it with another because of chayecha but to take at away from him?December 29, 2020 2:01 pm at 2:01 pm #1933186
Meno, *if* the person is in a higher risk category (but not on the government’s prioritized access list) AND the difference in time between getting it by waiting versus getting it now has an appreciable risk of death or severe injury.December 29, 2020 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #1933203charliehallParticipant
Covid test positive rate in Borough Park now seven times that of Park Slope.
We are doing this to ourselves.December 29, 2020 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm #1933208
So your answer is: most likely no.
Someone who has been managing just fine for the past 9 months and will probably be eligible for a vaccine within a month is most likely not in a “chayecha kodmin” (i.e. save yourself at all costs) situation.December 29, 2020 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm #1933218ubiquitinParticipant
A more pressing question, with a longer time delay ( day as opposed to waiting longer on line) would be can he go get vaccine on Shabbos? Drive? sign for one? Administer one etcd.
I believe Israeli poskim said noDecember 30, 2020 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1933483hujuParticipant
To ujm: You have not replied to my question, which I have asked a number of times: Are you being paid, directly or indirectly, for any of your posts?December 30, 2020 11:20 am at 11:20 am #1933520
To huju: The only payment I accept is from the Ribono Shel Plan for following His command to express Hakaros Hatov to the friends of Klal Yisroel.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.