March 16, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1840374
Hopefully, the effects of a contagious virus that hurts and kills those that are susceptible (and occasional those that are not) will remain, so that we do not take vaccinations lightly.
We have the luxury of not having to deal with the illnesses for which we normally vaccinate, some interpret this as if there is no need for vaccinations.
This the effect a virus can cause, it can cripple a nation’s healthcare system and kill people.March 16, 2020 1:00 pm at 1:00 pm #1840391
There’s no vaccination for COVID-19.March 16, 2020 2:39 pm at 2:39 pm #1840400
What is your point?
The point I was making is that the current outbreak demonstrates the potential a contagious virus has. This debunks the theory of the anti-vaxxers that clean water and sewer systems are the reason viruses disappear.
It is the vaccines that prevent some viruses from wreaking havoc.March 16, 2020 2:41 pm at 2:41 pm #1840423anonymous JewParticipant
Joseph, what I believe he is saying that were it not for vaccines for measles, polio etc this is what we’d be going thru routinelyMarch 16, 2020 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1840517user176Participant
When you say “the effects” I guess you mean the fact that this virus has effected all causing them to recognize that we need a vaccine, and not the actual effects.March 16, 2020 8:35 pm at 8:35 pm #1840503sarirayParticipant
So someone asked me, if the vaccine came out would u take it? First off, a new vaccine is scary for me. It would be with most minimal of safety testing in history. Second, the vaccine would probably LIKE MOST vaccines , be for an illness which 99.99% would not affect me or my children. So in effect, once again, this vaccine would be given to us to protect the vulnerable from what is usually a relatively MILD illness for healthy people (ok don’t kill me I know there are exceptions). And , no one would even know how long the vaccine would last and most scientists are saying it could last just a couple of years . So, I don’t know if I would even stand in line to get one for free ….March 16, 2020 8:43 pm at 8:43 pm #1840483yakboParticipant
NYC expects us to leave home to move cars, while they close our kids schools, and ask us to work from home. Alternate Side Parking needs to be suspended for the next few weeks. #COVID19 link removedMarch 16, 2020 10:47 pm at 10:47 pm #1840551HealthParticipant
2scents – All the antivaxxers would be first in line to get vaccinated, if a disease came out that affected them. I.E. the flu became a very deadly disease.March 17, 2020 1:01 am at 1:01 am #1840581sarirayParticipant
Most anti vaxxers simply say that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks of vaccination. Which means each And every vaccine has to be weighed – the potential for harm from the illness versus the harm from the disease (and how likely one is to catch that disease as well) some anti vaxxers will pick and choose the vaccines they feel are worth the risk.
And again, Coronavirus is harmless for most and no small children have died in the WORLD yet. So would I care if my kids got it? I’m Not scared of them catching it, I’m Scared of being stuck home for weeks with them quarantinedMarch 17, 2020 1:20 am at 1:20 am #1840587🐵 ⌨ GamanitParticipant
Covid-19 can certainly kill kids. There are kids that die from the flu every year. In addition, since China has so few kids we really don’t know 100% what would happen if many kids actually do get sick. For now, let’s take every reasonable precaution including keeping our kids home and hopefully we will survive this with minimal casualties.March 17, 2020 6:52 am at 6:52 am #1840602
Gamanit: So far from the beginning of the virus in December through now in March with COVID-19 infecting over 100,000 and causing over 5,000 deaths, not a single child worldwide has died from COVID-19.March 17, 2020 9:16 am at 9:16 am #1840629anonymous JewParticipant
Joseph, they might not have died but they can transmit the virus to parents and grandparents. Two adolescents in Rhode Island tested positive yesterdayMarch 17, 2020 9:16 am at 9:16 am #1840630
While there have not been reported mortalities among children, we do not have enough data to say that it is benign for children, especially among children with underlying medical problems.
Yet, even if it were benign for pediatrics, children act as vectors and can transmit the virus to other age group individuals that at higher risk.
Also, children will not stay children forever, as they become older they will be more at risk, especially if they develop other underlying medical conditions.
Hopefully Iy”h this virus will be eradicated and there will be no need for vaccinations for this virus. The point that I made was that we got to witness the potential of how things could have looked like before the age of vaccines, in which viruses that did severely affect children and adults being common.March 17, 2020 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1840637
“Most anti vaxxers simply say that the benefits don’t outweigh the risks of vaccination.”
They say a lot of things, and there will always be people with alternative opinions.
Yet, the facts are pretty clear. Children nowadays are expected to survive and become adults, this was not the case prior to the age of vaccines.
We no longer see many illnesses that severely effected children, as was common before vaccinations were invented.
“And again, Coronavirus is harmless for most and no small children have died in the WORLD yet. So would I care if my kids got it”
a. It is harmless for a significant portion of the population, including younger patients.
b. if your kids were to Ch”v get the virus, they become vectors and can infect others.
c. there is not yet enough data available and for sure not enough data on pediatrics when it comes to the Covid19 virus, children make up for <1% of confirmed cases, and no known mortalities. Will this change? hopefully not!
I am not making any recommendations, but the other viruses for which are vaccine-preventable do have an effect on children and are not benign, people that are against vaccines have the luxury of making whatever statements they want, only because these viruses have been contained due to vaccines.March 17, 2020 9:17 am at 9:17 am #1840638
“Joseph, what I believe he is saying that were it not for vaccines for measles, polio etc this is what we’d be going thru routinely”
Correct, thanks for explaining. to add to this list..
and many others.March 17, 2020 3:08 pm at 3:08 pm #1840731HealthParticipant
The point I’m making – Antivaxxers have Little to No considerations of others. Sometimes we have to do things to save other lives, even though there might be some danger to getting vaxxed. That’s what Religious Jews do – they follow the opinion of Most Poskim.March 17, 2020 3:09 pm at 3:09 pm #1840781
AJ: My comment was specifically directed to Gamanit in response to her incorrect comment that “Covid-19 can certainly kill kids.”March 19, 2020 7:50 am at 7:50 am #1840867
Joseph, anything can kill anyone.
There just is no sufficient data on pediatric patients when it comes to the Coronavirus. There is some article on YWN that seems to imply that there is a pediatric death (R”L) that might be associated with the coronavirus.
To be honest, any respiratory illness places children at risk, a lot of SIDS patients are reported to have cold-like symptoms prior to this.
Hashem should help that we should all be healthy and safe.
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