April 29, 2014 2:20 am at 2:20 am #612657
I have heard that they do. Does anyone have more information on the issue?
Their history in 1980s had many similarities to Jewish history in 1940s.April 29, 2014 4:59 am at 4:59 am #1114008Sam2Participant
Many people could. However, the standard assumption is that they were so interspersed in other nations and cultures that any remnant of what they once were was quickly eradicated.
With the exception of one T’shuvah in the Rishonim claiming the Ethiopians are from Shevet Dan, for the most part we assume any “lost tribes” were groups that were disconnected from the Jewish community at some point in Bayis Sheni or later.April 29, 2014 11:34 am at 11:34 am #1114009akupermaParticipant
As they are Aryans (Indo-Europeans) that is highly unlikely. Some Jews, not necessarily for the “ten lost tribes”, have lived in the region since ancient times (Afghanistan and Pakistan are adjacent to Iran/Persia, and for much of history were culturally or politically under Persian control). But to claim that a group is descended from Jews is a bit of a stretch, though most people in that region (as indeed, in most of the Middle East and Europe) have some Jewish ancestry and have had long term exposure to Jewish culture.April 29, 2014 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm #1114010
Slightly off-topic: Why do people always refer to the 10 lost tribes, when there should only be 9 lost tribes?
When the Rechavam’s kingdom was split, he kept Yehuda, Benyamin and Shimon (which was within Yehuda). Yerovam took Rueven, Yisaschar, Zevulun, Dan, Naftali, Gad, Ashar, Menashe, and Ephraim.
Levi was split across both Kingdoms.April 29, 2014 7:45 pm at 7:45 pm #1114011yaakov doeParticipant
Over 12 of the “lost tribes” have been found over the years in places ranging from North America, Japan, India and Africa. Over the years they would be lost through intermarriages, even if they had originally settled in these places.April 29, 2014 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #1114012zahavasdadParticipant
There is opinon that I think Yermiyahu or Ezra (I forgot which one) brought members back from the “lost tribes”
Also Shimon was basically destroyed after Baal Peor and ceased to really be a tribe and Banjamin was destroyed at the end of Shoftim because of the PelegeshApril 30, 2014 1:29 am at 1:29 am #1114013
>> As they are Aryans (Indo-Europeans) that is highly unlikely.
>> Some Jews, not necessarily for the “ten lost tribes”, have
>> lived in the region since ancient times (Afghanistan and
>> Pakistan are adjacent to Iran/Persia, and for much of history
>> were culturally or politically under Persian control).
Thank you. Thus their claim to belong to the Lost Tribes seems to be wrong.April 30, 2014 1:31 am at 1:31 am #1114014
>> Slightly off-topic: Why do people always refer to the 10 lost
>> tribes, when there should only be 9 lost tribes?
I should learn more Torah — without learning I display ignorance.April 30, 2014 1:33 am at 1:33 am #1114015
>> Over 12 of the “lost tribes” have been found over the years
>> in places ranging from North America, Japan, India and Africa.
>> Over the years they would be lost through intermarriages, even
>> if they had originally settled in these places.
Thus the Halachic Jews have absolutely no way of knowing that they are Jewish.April 30, 2014 5:02 am at 5:02 am #1114016HaLeiViParticipant
Shimon was also split.May 2, 2014 7:35 pm at 7:35 pm #1114018
Benyamin definitely made a comeback after the story of the Pilegesh. King Shaul, Mordechai and Esther, were from Benyamin.
Shimon was still a tribe after Baal Peor (albeit a smaller tribe).
Where was the rest of Shimon?May 2, 2014 7:55 pm at 7:55 pm #1114019To be or not to beMember
I think Rashi in vayichi says that the rest of shimon was spread out among the rest of the shvatim in order to teach and to be sofrim,May 4, 2014 5:03 am at 5:03 am #1114020HaLeiViParticipant
Shimon’s Nachlah was split. One part was together with Yehuda and the other was further north.May 4, 2014 3:49 pm at 3:49 pm #1114021ben_DavidParticipant
Why Pashtuns and not….let’s say….Basques?May 4, 2014 7:03 pm at 7:03 pm #1114022
>> Why Pashtuns and not….let’s say….Basques?
I do not know — I have read it. I have studied the events taking place during the Soviet War in Afghanistan — very similar to the events which happened to Jews in 1940s.May 4, 2014 9:15 pm at 9:15 pm #1114023ben_DavidParticipant
I think we should take the matter more seriously…and perform genetic testing to determine if a group of people has any link to the jewish people. If we only rely on dubious anthropology, we’ll end up with half the third-world claiming to be Lost Tribes. That’s why I asked sarcastically,…why pashtuns, ethiopians, igbo, Bnei Menashe, Peruvian Indians,…..but not Basques, Swedes or Japanese?May 4, 2014 9:40 pm at 9:40 pm #1114024jewishnessParticipant
Regarding Shevet Shimon, it states in Divrei Hayamim that when David became king he made Shimon leave Yehudah’s territory because Yehudah needed the space. (little known fact)
Although they originally were together, it did not remain that way.
Also, the pesukim in Milachim 1 clearly state that Achiya Hashiloni told Yeravam that Hashem said that He would take away ten tribes from Shlomo’s son. He ripped his new garment into twelve pieces (or twelve cuts – see mitzodos) and gave Yaravam 10, keeping two. Which represented Yehudah and Binyamin.
Also, they are always referred (correctly) as the ten tribes. The mishnah in Sandhedrin calls them the aseres hashvatim. Shimeon was part of the ten.May 5, 2014 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #1114025
Thank you for the information from Divrei Hayamim. I never knew that. Can you give me the perek?
I knew about the nevua in Melachim and had the same question there.May 5, 2014 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #1114026akupermaParticipant
If there were Jews from the missing shevatim in the area of Iran and Afghanistan, they would have joined the Jews who arrived in that area (as is well documented) after the destruction of Bayis Rishon. We are talking about only a century of so – not a long time. One should never expect to find “ten lost tribes” in an area with well documented Jewish settlments, since they wouldn’t have stayed lost once the exiles from the destrucition of Bayis Rishon moved into their neighborhood.November 25, 2015 6:00 pm at 6:00 pm #1114028Cohen211Member
The word Pathan is a Pashto derivative of the original word Pithon, the great grandson of King Saul.November 26, 2015 2:24 am at 2:24 am #1114030☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
Their history in 1980s had many similarities to Jewish history in 1940s.
How very logical.November 30, 2015 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #1114031pcozMember
The siddur ha’gra says the lost tribes are beyond the Ganges River.November 30, 2015 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm #1114032JosephParticipant
Is that the same as the Sambatyon river?
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