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  • #613805

    Randomex
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    I’m not familiar with too much of A.R.’s material, but for those of you who know both men’s bodies of work: In your estimation, can Abie Rottenberg do funny as well as Country Yossi can do touching?

    Also, is there any other Jewish musical personality with a similar profile (probably not exactly, but the same general idea) ?

    I suppose Lenny Solomon and Gershon Veroba are there, but they’re both almost entirely parodists, right? (CY has more original material than you might think.) There’s the Destiny series, but I

    don’t know if that’s primarily the work of one man…

    #1113473

    cozimjewish
    Member

    I think you have it totally wrong – Country Yossi is the funny one, AR is the touching one! (See: My Little Yingele and Seven Little Kids (not sure what the song is actually called) plus all the Kivi and Tuki songs; see: Neshomele, Mama Rochel and Teardrop) Never heard of Lenny Solomon…Gershon Veroba I’d say is most similar to CY, I wouldn’t compare him to AR though

    #1113474

    DaMoshe
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    Lenny Solomon makes Shlock Rock.

    Country Yossi does have some touching songs (Deaf Man in the Shteeble, anyone?), but mostly does funny. He also doesn’t write much original music, although he does write his own lyrics.

    IMO, Abie Rotenberg is one of the best (if not the best) composer of Jewish music over the last century. Look how many of his songs are known by almost the entire Jewish world! They have withstood the test of time. He also has some funny songs, but I don’t know if he wrote his own lyrics or someone else did it for him. They’re in the Journeys series: Ninth Man on the Team, The Wedding Song, Atheist Convention, etc.

    But yes, AR does touching better than most. Some songs were pointed out already. I’d add In a Vinkaleh, Conversation in the Womb, Who Am I?, Memories, and some others.

    #1113475

    Randomex
    Member

    (Lenny Solomon is the writer/singer of Shlock Rock.)

    I guess I’d better explain that one a little more.

    I’m well aware of what the two are best known for, but what I mean is, who is better at the other’s “primary” genre, demonstrating their greater versatility?

    Has anyone written an ode to the melamed better than this?

    (As with most good songs, it sounds better in the ear.)

    There’s a very special man

    In a very special place

    There’s a twinkle in his eye

    And a smile upon his face

    He’s your rebbi / He’s your rebbi

    He’s your rebbi / He’s your rebbi

    He’s / your / friend.

    I know CY much more than I do AR, but check out any song in this list for his emotional efforts:

    Rabbi Black, Big Bad Moish (and sort of The Rabbi)

    ^Dramatic songs from Wanted.

    Nebich of the Shteeble, [Oh, My Yerushalayim], Shlomo, Make-Believe (and Ahvaira)

    ^Emotional songs from Strike Again.

    Shabbos Wine, Tick-Tock (Al Tomar)

    ^Emotional, from Still On the Loose.

    Deaf Man in the Shteeble, Phantom of the Shteeble

    ^from Captured.

    I Will Follow Him, The Tiny Old Shteeble, and Mitzvah Tantz (The Wedding’s Over)

    ^from Break Out.

    I Am the Flower, Rav Shmuel and the Myrtle Twig, Good Morning Klal Yisroel, and Elan Elan

    ^All from Ride Again!

    That’s 24 out of 64 songs by “The Shteeble-Hoppers”. So much

    for his being a pure comedian.

    Then there’s “These I Remember,” with only 1 in ten songs showing a hint of humor, and it’s still serious (“My Yetzer Hura Says”).

    #1113476

    cozimjewish
    Member

    Randomex – Put that way, I have to say – CY does touching better than AR does funny. (In saying that, though, ‘I Went With All Of My Kids To a Store’ (from MMM) and ‘Yeshivishe Reid’ are VERY funny!)I don’t know most of the songs you mentioned, however, I don’t think Phantom is a moving song, since he ‘talks’ the song – it is more like a story than a song, and I don’t find it particularly emotional. Rebbe which you quoted from K&T is a stunning song, I love it! Also Kayli is gorgeous 🙂 Deaf man makes me cry also stunning.

    #1113477

    DaMoshe
    Participant

    Randomex, I don’t know if I’d consider some of those songs as emotional. I Will Follow Him? Really? That’s emotional? Mitzvah Tantz?

    The other issue is that as I said, he doesn’t write his own material. Take Deaf man in the Shteeble. Yes, it’s a touching story. Many people enjoy it. But they don’t know that it’s taken from a song about a baseball player whose father was blind, and after his father dies, he says, “It’s the first time that my father saw me play!” It takes away a lot from it.

    #1113478

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Abie’s “The Wedding Song” is also funny, and he actually put out a comedy album, called, IIRC, “Time to Laugh”.

    They are both (YT and AR) immensely talented.

    DaMoshe, I believe “In a Vinkel’e” is not Abie’s own composition, but rather, R’ Menachem Davidowitz’.

    Edit: I just found this:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/who-composed-the-song-tatte-tatte-and-who-sang-it-first

    #1113479

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    What about Pesach Blues? That’s another funny one from Abie.

    Which, in your opinion, is better; Ninth Man I or Ninth Man II?

    I’m not a big CY(T) person so I can’t really help with that.

    Abie is THE BEST Jewish English song writer of all time. He also has very good Hebrew songs but I love (almost) all of Journeys!

    Someone mentioned here (different thread) that “Dreams Come True” from Journeys IV is originally a Diaspora Yeshiva Band song (and Google seems to agree). Anybody know the story of this song? Who composed it? Etc…

    (Randomex, I will try to get to our other discussion after YK.)

    #1113480

    cozimjewish
    Member

    Ninth Man 1 is DEFINITELY better!!!!

    #1113482

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    Many people don’t realize that Marvelous Middos Machine was Abie. And much of it (including many songs) are cute/funny.

    CIJ, I agree!

    #1113483

    cozimjewish
    Member

    I also LOOOOVE the song Together, it’s a STUNNING song. I’m pretty sure Abie composed it and wrote lyrics. I think MBD and Yeedle sing it together….?

    #1113484

    no nonsense
    Participant

    As a musician I need to constantly learn new songs. Yet whenever I want to sit at my keyboard/piano and jam, I somehow almost always find myself playing Deveykus songs. My all time favorite songs are Lev Tahor and Ani Maamim. Journies songs such as Neshamela, ride the train, A place where I belong are amazing.

    #1113485

    oyyoyyoy
    Participant

    memories?

    #1113486

    cozimjewish
    Member

    I don’t really know, but I thought it was called “What Will Become of All the Memories” (if you’re referring to the song about the old man). Memories is an MBD song…..I think. I don’t know it so well

    #1113487

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    They are both called “Memories” (Abie’ Memories I don’t really like – too sad. Together with Teardrop and Little Kite. Those three I don’t care for.) MBD’s is a beautiful song! I can listen to it over over! I think everyone has a special someone that they can fit into this song.

    Now, I was left with memories, sweet, sweet memories…

    #1113488

    cozimjewish
    Member

    I love teardrop and memories, the old man one – yes they both make me cry (particularly a video of the latter sung by MBD and Avraham Fried at an Ohel concert – stunning and really really sad) that’s why I like them. A lot of songs these days are devoid of any emotion whatsoever. Anybody can stick some words to a tune and boom you got a song. Abie’s songs are full of emotion, and reflect deep ideas and feelings.

    #1113489

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    True. I like Abie’s other emotional songs but their is something about these three songs that I don’t like. Could be, as a kid I got a distaste for them and now can’t truly appreciate there beauty.

    Do you know that it took 5 years to write Memories (Abie’s)? And less then 4 hours to write Who Am I! (Another beautiful Abie song)

    #1113490

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    Here’s an old thread with many good suggestions and discussions about Jewish music:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/most-heartfelt-jewish-song-in-your-view/

    #1113491

    cozimjewish
    Member

    No, I didn’t know, interesting! I can imagine why Memories took so long to write! It’s a beautiful song! BTW – does anyone know a song by Abie called “Kavei”? And if you do, what album is it on?

    #1113492

    GG boy
    Participant

    I got the last Destiny a couple of years back when in Israel (it’s actually about 10 years old) and grew up with Destiny 1 & 2. The arrangements on the last album are particularly good. As a musician, I would say they were somehow overlooked, but are just as emotional as Abie’s songs. I believe they were written by a guy named Eli Nathan and are actually available on CD baby.

    I also want to mention another overlooked album from Miriam Israeli, the lyricist for Benny Friedman’s Yesh Tikvah, Ari Goldwag’s Am Echad and a few other recent songs. It’s an all male album, with both Hebrew and English songs. I believe she is American, because because her English is as fluent as her Hebrew. And Ari Goldwag sings 4 of the songs on it!

    It’s called ‘Amen’ and probably available on mostlymusic.com

    #1113493

    cozimjewish
    Member

    Kay I found it on Mostly Music 🙂 Thank-you SIDI for the link:)

    #1113494

    Yikesau
    Member

    Yes Abie does have a song called Kavei and it is in Journey’s 3

    #1113495

    SayIDidIt™
    Participant

    My pleasure!

    #1113496

    cozimjewish
    Member

    I just listened to Little Kite – havent heard it for years….really, sidi? It’s sad? Even if you do find it moving – you would put it together with teardrop and memories? Interesting…..I think there are more moving songs out there than Little Kite….(Neshomele, Piano Boy, Next Gadol Hador, Daddy Dear, for instance…)

    #1113497

    Miriam377
    Participant

    Don’t forget the Golden Crown also i think by abie rottenberg. You can hear him singing the songs.

    #1113498

    cozimjewish
    Member

    miriam377 – yes. Although I love the Golden Crown, it is, um, *officially* a kid’s tape, so none of the songs are exactly tearjerkers, although they are all stunning in their own right

    #1113499

    Miriam377
    Participant

    I wouldn’t necessarily call the Sefer Torah song a children’s song.

    #1113500

    showjoe
    Participant

    AR journeys is imho one on the best series on music in the jewish world.

    the touching songs are obviously amazing, but i find that the faster, thought not necessarily funny, ones are also great. (e.g. Sfaskenaz, The ninth man, country boy etc.)

    #1113502

    skripka
    Participant

    the amazing thing about abie Rotenberg is that his songs are amazing both as stand alone nice music to listen to, and as deep thought provoking songs as well. his music has the ability to uplift ones spirit and to bring one closer to hashem.

    regarding the poster who wanted to know about dreams come true, it is a diaspora song that was composed by abie for them

    regarding the OP , I think that they both are similar in that they are very versatile in their music. they both do happy, sad , deep , and exhilarating music well. countr Yossi is also underrated for the work he did with ohr chodosh ( remember eileh borechev?) not just as a song parodist ( forgive me oh comlink -x, grammarian of the CR, if that is not a real word)

    #1113503

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Abie Rotenberg is now an author too. He recently published a book called The Season of Pepsi Meyers.

    #1113504

    skripka
    Participant

    yeah i saw that, although i don’t think they sell it in eichlers.. would love to get it as a present (hint,hint, significant other of mine : ))

    #1113505

    Don’t forget the Golden Crown also i think by abie rottenberg. You can hear him singing the songs.

    I think Baruch Levine did the singing on that album.

    Country Yossi is also underrated for the work he did with Ohr Chodosh ( remember “Eileh Borechev?”) not just as a song parodist ( forgive me oh Comlink-X, grammarian of the CR, if that is not a real word)

    I found out somewhat recently that at least

    one of Ohr Chodosh’s songs was a parody as well.

    (It’s a real word. Thanks for the title, though

    I doubt I’d win a grammar fight with haifagirl.) 🙂

    #1113506

    skripka
    Participant

    since she is no longer around you will have to do. or call her a grammarista (female version)

    #1113507

    apushatayid
    Participant

    Yes, they do sell it in Eichlers, it is Item#: F05-0-9 on their website.

    #1113508

    skripka
    Participant

    thanks! now i know what chanuka present i’m getting! ( although i think the whole plot is basically a team trying to find the ninth man )

    #1113509

    CR wrote lyrics for YBC- “Those were the nights” and possibly “SDaddy Come home”

    #1113510

    I just saw that a sequel to The Golden Crown just came out featuring Abie and the whole midos team. Anyone hear it yet? Is it anything like the original?

    #1113511

    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Did you hear it?

    #1113512

    It’s not a sequel, it’s just made by the same people.

    (I just saw the poster tonight too.)

    #1113513

    Didn’t hear it yet, thinking of getting it for Chanukah. Just wondering if if people heard it, if it’s good etc. Have to say it looks pretty cool, a lot of big names beside Abie and the Midos guys.

    #1113514

    skripka
    Participant

    at the end of the golden crown the kids get invited back to hear another story. this is the other story

    #1113515

    This review was on Mostly Music:

    This CD is AWESOME!!!! I’m a huge fan of The Golden Crown, and was skeptical if it was possible to make a befitting sequel, but boy oh boy, they blew it out of the park! Every actor sounds exactly like they sounded 25 years ago, and Abie Rotenberg, who is the main character, does such an amazing job, I never before heard anything like it. The sound is also very clear, and the music is real and the songs are great, really befitting for a Golden Crown sequel. I especially liked that they redid The Story Song so beautifully, with real violins. It really made me teary eyed. All in all, it brought such nostalgia, because it really reproduces the distinct feel of the Golden Crown, and it brought me back to my childhood. I strongly recommend it! I even plan on buying copies for my mother and my Shviger!

    #1113516

    this is the other story

    Have you heard the new thing, or is that an assumption?

    (Also, if it’s true, would you call it a sequel?

    That’s the problem with meta-narratives…)

    #1113517

    I hear your safek. I can let you know once I hear it. Meanwhile, anyone feel free to enlighten us. Thanks!

    #1113518

    skripka
    Participant

    thats what shimmy shtauber told me

    #1113519

    Woohoo! Hooked up! Any other inside hock from the source?

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