October 5, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1906875
I see that there are a lot of people who are confused about COVID-19 guidelines and how to follow them. In the hopes of perhaps saving some people from the debilitating illness that is COVID-19 I would like to explain them in the simplest manner possible.
Wear a mask when outside your house or car. Stand apart from people.
Now I know there may be some questions, and I am perfectly willing to discuss them. Let me pre-empt with a few of the basic answers:
- But….: Wear a mask
- What if….: Wear a mask
- I don’t…: Wear a mask
- My kids…..: Wear a mask
- Doesn’t..: Wear a mask
- I can’t…: Stay home
Thank you for taking the time to read this. May this Yom Tov bring us all a Yeshua.October 5, 2020 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #1906964The Shady CharediParticipant
Masks… are ineffective.
Masks… don’t stop viruses.
Masks… can cause multiple other serious health issues.
(But I wear one anyway to placate those as stupid and petty as @yserbius123, for the sake of v’havtah l’rei’echa kmocha).October 5, 2020 5:19 pm at 5:19 pm #1906974
@The_Shady_Charedi You mistake what I say! If you wear a mask it doesn’t stop you from getting a virus, it stops me from getting the virus that you may unknowingly have! Scientists and doctors figured out that the virus mostly travels through spittle. If I am wearing a mask and infected spittle lands on it, it is very likely that I will at one point touch it and receive the virus. But if an infected person is wearing a mask, it’s very unlikely that their spittle will reach further than their face, thus protecting people around them.
Like you said. It is the ultimate v’havta l’rei’echa kmocha. It has zero benefit for you to wear a mask, but it benefits everyone around you. What greater chessed can their be than wearing a mask during a pandemic?October 5, 2020 5:38 pm at 5:38 pm #1906989Reb EliezerParticipant
Mask alone is not enough. It requires also social distancing.October 5, 2020 5:56 pm at 5:56 pm #1906995
Yserbius- you can’t receive the virus from touching spittle unless you stick your fingers in your mouth or do so indirectly. If you are careful to wash your hands after touching your mask, or better yet before touching your face you have a better chance at staying protected.
Also, the person with a virus and a mask is still spraying particles at you, and you are still inhaling them thru your mask as they are smaller than the holes.
If the whole point of thousands of people wearing masks is to make thousands of others happy as you say, and not because it’s actually useful, than calling them murderers and causing such tremendous machlokes about it is unforgiveable.
I don’t think I agree with your premise as i have heard differently from the medical professionals, but you also seem to have picked your mantra and wish to run with it despite that.
It should end speedily.October 6, 2020 8:45 am at 8:45 am #1907177
<<< i am NOT anti mask, i am anti this nonsensical attitude of ‘mask or murder’>>>October 6, 2020 8:47 am at 8:47 am #1907176
A friend of mine suffers from depression periodically. Serious bouts that sometimes render her homebound. She was crying to me recently about how hard it has been for her to function and how she is back on medication because of how isolated she feels not being able to see peoples faces. She said the absence of smiles and facial cues has left her spiralling down. Thankfully I had some good advice from this site and i said to her, “so what? I know of 3 or 4 people who say it makes them happier and that’s what really matters”October 6, 2020 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1907182
<<< i am NOT anti mask, i am anti this nonsensical attitude of ‘mask or murder’ without a thought to other people’s suffering>>>October 6, 2020 10:42 am at 10:42 am #1907218☢️ Rand0m3x 🎲Participant
If the whole point of thousands of people wearing masks is to make thousands
of others happy as you say, and not because it’s actually useful
He didn’t say that.
The consensus of health professionals is that masks can decrease the spread;
more info is readily available online.
I suppose your friend’s community abstains from video-call technology?October 6, 2020 11:00 am at 11:00 am #1907225
@syag-lchochma I’m not sure where you live but I feel really sorry for your country that pushes this culture of sinas chinam. That’s terrible that the so-called “doctors” are telling people not to wear masks. Here in the USA (and in Israel) doctors and researchers have shown that shuls where everyone wears a mask, stands apart, and washes hands have almost nobody catching the virus. But shuls and schools that aren’t following those guidelines have become major disease vectors. Your depression suffering friend can no longer leave the house out of fear of getting infected! How terrible! If everyone would wear masks, fear of infection would be much less and we would all be able to socialize normally. May this end soon in our time!October 6, 2020 11:01 am at 11:01 am #1907228
“Like you said. It is the ultimate v’havta l’rei’echa kmocha. It has zero benefit for you to wear a mask, but it benefits everyone around you. ”
Yes, he did say that
“The consensus of health professionals is that masks can decrease the spread;
more info is readily available online.”
I know, that is why i answered that i believe he is wrong and medical professionals do not support his claimOctober 6, 2020 11:01 am at 11:01 am #1907227
@syag-lchochma The mask wearing should make everyone happier! I am so much happier knowing that I will not get infected when I go to shul or the supermarket! Not wearing a mask should make everyone depressed as it will increase the rate of infection (like we are already seeing in NYC) forcing more people to be homebound, stopping schools, minyanim, and social scenes.October 6, 2020 11:12 am at 11:12 am #1907241
“That’s terrible that the so-called “doctors” are telling people not to wear masks. ”
The doctors are refuting your claim that wearing madks has zero benefit to the wearer
“Your depression suffering friend can no longer leave the house out of fear of getting infected!”
No she isn’t. Read it again and don’t belittle her suffering. How thoughtless.
Have you decided that covid is our only concern and other people’s suffering aren’t even important enough for you to acknowledge them? What form of loving your neighbor does that fall under? And why do you keep accusing me of advocating for no masks when i said repeatedly it’s your approach and lack of integrity i object to. Is ignoring people to make your point also your version of love? Where do you find rabbeim to advocte for that lifestyle?October 6, 2020 12:52 pm at 12:52 pm #1907281
The doctors in your country. In the US and Israel there isn’t one doctor, scientist, or epidemiologist who is on record saying not to wear a mask. Not one!
I’m sorry I misread your thread. It seems your friend has some niche form of extrovert depression which is exasperated by masks. I’m not a psychologist, so I can’t say what she should be doing to alleviate her symptoms. I feel sorry for her, I really do, but you have to remember that masks have far more to gain than to lose. For every person who’s mental instability is worsened by seeing everyone in masks, there are hundreds more who are helped because they can now see and talk to people face-to-face and thousands more protected from COVID-19.
Have you decided that covid is our only concern and other people’s suffering aren’t even important enough for you to acknowledge them?
Chas V’Shalom! I am so sorry that I wasn’t being clear! Other people’s suffering is the prime concern. It’s the only concern. We should be concerned that people are suffering from COVID-19. Many many people are spending weeks, or even months, with trouble breathing, trouble tasting, and trouble with physical activity. That’s not even getting into the numerous hospitilizations and deaths, which will only get worse if measures aren’t taken to contain the virus. Anything we can do to alleviate that will help. Unfortunately, the medicine is bitter and hard to swallow. We have to adjust our lifestyles to help with it. But we don’t need to stop completely, which is where social distancing, hand washing, and masks come into play. I love my neighbor and I want them to be mentally healthy, but more than that I don’t want them to get seriously sick!
You have repeatedly said that, (and I quote) “doctors say masks don’t help”. Like I said, maybe that’s how it is in your country, but I can say with absolute certainty that I have never heard a US or Israel expert mirror that sentiment. I don’t know what your purpose of mentioning it is other than to fight against masks. The whole purpose of my original post was to encourage mask wearing, if you agree with it then why are we arguing? The effectiveness of masks has been proven again and again and again. It’s currently the main weapon against COVID-19 infection. If everyone would wear masks, socially distant, and wash their hands, we can simultaneously take care of our mental health while fighting COVID-19.October 6, 2020 1:07 pm at 1:07 pm #1907285
“there isn’t one doctor, scientist, or epidemiologist who is on record saying not to wear a mask. Not one!”
And neither did I!!! YOU made the claim that it has zero benefit, it was ME who said that is incorrect. I said the masks won’t STOP the spread but i was arguing with YOUR claim that they have zero benefit.
“It seems your friend has some niche form of extrovert depression which is exasperated by masks.”
Your sarcasm is disgusting. And if it isn’t sarcasm, than you have a lot to learn about depression, which, by the way, is possibly more dibilitating than Covid and leads to the average of 600,000 suicides a year. That’s more than covid. Is it okay to worry about her now or is she still just some odd form of mask a phobic?
By the way, should you ever feel like having a two way discussion, let me knowOctober 6, 2020 5:42 pm at 5:42 pm #1907433
@Syag-Lchochma My mistake then. We are in agreement that masks are incredibly important and everyone should keep wearing them.
Again, I’m not belittling your friends depression. But you have to understand the difficult situation the world is currently in. Your friend faces a phobia and depression because people wear masks, yes? But there are far more people facing depression because people don’t wear masks. Remember April of 2020 when you literally could not walk outside? That is the reality if we don’t take care and wear masks, which is one of the reasons they are so important. So with all due respect to your friend, she has to get a competent psychologist that will help her through this really really difficult time. But she, and others with a mask phobia, is not a compelling reason to tell people to stop wearing masks.
(Also, check your numbers. COVID-19 unchecked could lead to millions dead, far worse than suicide. So far we are at 200,000 just in the US partially because people are wearing masks and social distancing. And national suicide rates have barely budged.)October 6, 2020 5:53 pm at 5:53 pm #1907438
“Your friend faces a phobia and depression because people wear masks, yes? ”
And the rest of your facts are purely made up or wrong. From returning to lock down, to not knowing a phobia from depression, assuming there is no doctor, thinking suicide hasn’t budged, and all your stats. How do you propose to have a discussion with made up information and false statistics? If it’s not an honest discussion it’s not worth having.
For your own betterment you can do some research on all those points, starting with how and why flippant comments on depression are offensive.October 6, 2020 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm #1907471
@Syag-Lchocma Maybe I just don’t understand your comment. Your friend is having her mental instability exasperated by the fact that people wear masks, yes? That’s what I meant, did I get it wrong?
If we are in agreement that everyone should be wearing masks around other people as often as possible in order to prevent the spread of COVID-19, then I think we can make Shalom on this whole thread.
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