June 23, 2021 11:33 am at 11:33 am #1985514
Will the world ever get back to normal seeing how Israel which are the so called leaders of the pandemic are having cases surge up again and this is with the whole nation being vaccinated. So Is this going to happen worldwide and just remain in lockdown and depression forever? Bill Gates recently warned us of a new pandemic coming which we are not prepared for which will dwarf covid, but seems like we won’t be needing his new pandemic it looks like covid disruption is here to stay.June 23, 2021 2:53 pm at 2:53 pm #1985776
yes. I guess you don’t listen to the news, or maybe you live in a red state. schools will forever remain on zoom, Biden will print more paper so no one goes back to work ever, masks will be mandated in all federal sites always and woe to anyone who dares not obey. well, not to worry, cuz you won’t be in all that many federal buildings, anyway….due to covid and out of concern for your health, nothing will be operating at normal activity anymore.
so please please please please go get vaccinated and win 1000000 papers. do it for yourself. do it for your loved ones. do it for the world. do it for science. do it for unity. just do it. please. and remember to still wear your mask and shoot yourself between the eyes before entering a public building. together we will get through this forever. that is, forever we will get through this together.June 23, 2021 5:40 pm at 5:40 pm #1985831
Participant, are you ok there?June 23, 2021 6:57 pm at 6:57 pm #1985845Yabia OmerParticipant
Participant, hakol beseder?June 23, 2021 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm #1985870
oh did I say something wrong?June 23, 2021 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1985847philosopherParticipant
rightwriter, participant has a point. He’s fed up with these stupid leaders getting away with murder and not running the cities, states and countries normally with the convenienent excuse of covid-19. I understand exactly what he’s talking about with government federal and state buildings and offices shut-down and operating on a lower capacity when what took a day now takes weeks with no one to talk to on the phone and so you end up needing to wait even longer if there’s a document you were supposed to submit and did not because you had no clue that you had to submit it.
This stupidity is because the government is using your tax dollars for such stupid things they need to shut down the government partly and covid-19 is their convenient excuse. (That’s why I don’t understand how “Participants” supports the reparations of supposed “inheritance” for the blacks which will be one of the woke, out of control, spending things that will totally destroy the USA financially)
And the covid-19 craziness in Israel is a cover for those in power who want more power. Look how it’s turning out for them after forcing everyone to take shots and forcing business into closure for practically forever. And there are foreigners who can’t fake stuff like many do and they have no access to their own properties for the last 14-15 months. It’s insane.June 24, 2021 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #1986234Sam KleinParticipant
If we don’t ever wake ourselves up from Denial and FACE REALITY with starting to admit to Hashems Wake up call for serious teshuva and achdus ASAP then you have your answer correct that this Coronavirus pandemic mageifa will keep going on forever C”V. “ain poranius baolam Ela b’shvil Yisroel”
Nothing just happens by coincidence. Everything that happens has a direct message from Hashem for klal yisroel.June 25, 2021 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1986257
Israel slowly going back to mask mandates and lockdowns.June 25, 2021 8:51 am at 8:51 am #1986258philosopherParticipant
Sam Klein, you are 100% correct.June 27, 2021 3:26 pm at 3:26 pm #1986619BaltimoreMavenParticipant
Vaccines work. Those infected are by and large those who were not vaccinated. Those who were vaccinated and infected had, by and large, lower levels of sicknessJuly 2, 2021 9:18 am at 9:18 am #1988105Avi KParticipant
Rightwqriter, actually this “wave” is very mild because of the vaccinations. The number of serious cases is stable at a mere 23-26. The positive test rate is less than 1%. Yesterday, the number of total cases dipped to 295 after being over 300 for a couple of days. No one has died in nine days. The mask mandate is only indoors (and there have been no reports of fines being handed out so either everyone is complying or the police are not rushing to enforce it) and there is no talk of a lockdown. COVID mutations will probably continue to be around but they will be no worse, and maybe not as bad, as flu viruses. The more people are vaccinated the less severe COVID will be.July 7, 2021 12:00 pm at 12:00 pm #1989283
@avik-“The more people are vaccinated the less severe COVID will be.”
Is that why Israel claiming that the Pfizer vaccine is only 64% effective at this point?
And what about those with antibodies? They should get vaccinated as well right since only vaccines give you immunity? Is that why we are seeing so many reinfected individuals with antibodies? (We aren’t)
If the vaccines help slow it down and you are willing to risk unknown side effects that’s fine, but they are disregarding antibodies and want to force everyone to get the vaccine regardless by imposing rules such as not being able to go to college without the vaccine, flying airlines etc.July 7, 2021 1:19 pm at 1:19 pm #1989302Amil ZolaParticipant
Many of our parents were willing to impact our future health by having us injected with the poorly tested Salk polio vaccine.July 7, 2021 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #1989401
First, you follow the science. You ask questions later. If the science was a flawed, too bad just live with the effects but be happy since you did the right thing and followed the science. No need for a brain or logic. Just do what you are told.July 7, 2021 8:16 pm at 8:16 pm #1989415IYKParticipant
Let’s be robots!!!July 19, 2021 11:06 am at 11:06 am #1992835
This will either go away soon or seems can evolve into a new way of lifeJuly 26, 2021 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1994668
Sooner everyone will be required to vaccinate
Will there be a civil war?July 26, 2021 11:09 am at 11:09 am #1994686
“Will there be a civil war”
Could you be more specific?? Vaccinated chassidim versus unvaccinated misnagdim or vice versa? Clearly, the secular are too busy with the next round of public health chumruahs to engage in battle over yesterday’s broigas.July 26, 2021 2:59 pm at 2:59 pm #1994693
On a serious note, the politicization of public health issues in both the U.S. and EY is a real tragedy that will cost many lives over the long term. Both sides are guilty to some degree with excessive and illogical regulatory demands from the left, arbitrary application of vague rules and pushback from the right in the name of “personal liberty” adding to an already polarized body politic. When the next real public health emergency emerges, its going to be virtually impossible to get widespread compliance and the consequences of that public distrust could be disastrous.July 26, 2021 7:07 pm at 7:07 pm #1994839Reb EliezerParticipant
I asked our LOR if vaxxinated Jews are responsible to protect the unvaccinated by wearing masks like St. Louis, MO and he agreed with me that they are not as they have the responsibility to vaccinate themselves.July 27, 2021 12:24 am at 12:24 am #1994857
RebE, you can’t fully abandon caution. Oft-quoted vaccine efficiency is based on everything else being equal. If you previous did not spend long time in closed quarters with people, and now you do, then you did not decrease yours, and community’s, risk, you simply use vaccine to rescind restrictions. Still, do not spend prolonged time in unventilated closed spaces, esp with unvaccinated people. Furthermore, if you feel so negative towards them that you do not feel responsibility to protect them, then why bother spending time with them.
To push this logic further, does the LOR feel it is OK to have in his minyan people for whose health he does not want to be responsible? Would he daven for their health? or just sanity?July 27, 2021 1:15 am at 1:15 am #1994860
No Gadol, not chassidim or other. It will be vaccinated vs unvaccinated, liberal vs conservative, left vs right. And its already happening. And the government along with the controlled media are responsible for this division and chaos. Something unnatural is happening in the world.July 27, 2021 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1995060
Gadol, you are right. It is a sad thing that destroys society from inside. Neither vaccine nor masks are right or left wing (I am skipping the virus itself until we find out what lab it came from). In US, israel, UK, France, governments were blamed for being too restrictive or too permissive, with opposition being against just because they see an opportunity. We just need not to get caught up in to this.July 27, 2021 9:20 pm at 9:20 pm #1995063Yserbius123Participant
@rightwriter Why is getting a vaccine considered a “liberal” thing? Modern politics are so stupid. Everything is either Dem or Rep, lib or conservative. When did common sense become a political issue?July 28, 2021 10:17 am at 10:17 am #1995277hujuParticipant
If the state governments in the US do not follow the advice of the CDC, the Covid pandemic will last far longer than if everybody did follow the CDC’s advice. Their advice is not perfect, and it is subject to change as they learn more about the virus, but they know the best way to control this virus and the related illnesses.July 28, 2021 10:47 am at 10:47 am #1995306
We change the composition of the flu vaccine annually through what is really an “informed guess” as to specific strains that might be the most prevalent 9 months in the future. Some years we achieve a relatively high 65–75 percent efficacy and other years its below 50 percent. The new Covid vaccines using the MRNA platform have achieved 90%+ efficacy and have shown high efficacy as new strains evolve. There will have to be tweeks to the booster shots just as we modify the flu shots annually using informed guesses as to which variants need to be protected against. Unlike business and school closures which have their own material adverse effects, there are virtually no down-sides to masking in combination with vaccination in high community transmission areas, unless of course, being unmasked becomes your symbol of resistance to the deep state and perverse desire to impose public health risks on yourself and others.July 28, 2021 10:48 am at 10:48 am #1995298
1 up til now many states have followed the guidance and are nowhere ahead in the race.
2 there is no race. a race has a finish line; covid ain’t goin anywhere. zero cases is an impossibility.
3 the cdc doesn’t know anything.
4 those defying the cdc are just futuristic individuals; they’re adhering to the cdc’s advice when they next flip the coin.July 29, 2021 12:32 am at 12:32 am #1995500
Cdc seems to be very rigid in their decision making. Recently, they first announced full unmasking without any caveat and are changing back only after delta is proven to be everywhere. With several countries on front of us on the same trajectory, they could have been more foresightedJuly 29, 2021 1:18 am at 1:18 am #1995554
At this point has nothing to do with safety and all to do with power, politics, and control.
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