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July 27, 2020 4:39 pm at 4:39 pm #1887169
There is allot of errors going on, even according to some medical professionals Fraud, in regard to Covid Testing.
Case in point, I came back Positive for corona shortly after purim. Just recently i was feeling in turned out to be something else however they sent a corona test to a lab with came back as a false positive. How do i know I retook a day later still had my systems and it taken at a different facility the lab sent it back as Negative.
Furthermore I have been told a facility sent in 2 blank swabs and they both came back Positive!!!.
I’m not insinuating Not to be careful on the contrary be extra careful, however if you come back positive, pay for a retest. You may be locking yourself and family indoors for 2 weeks for NO REASON!.July 27, 2020 5:29 pm at 5:29 pm #1887193
Conversely, there are also a lot of false-negatives. You may be exposing and killing people left and right for NO REASON!.July 27, 2020 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm #1887211
Killing people right and left? Really now.July 27, 2020 7:14 pm at 7:14 pm #1887221DovidBTParticipant
The thing about testing, even if it’s an accurate result, is that it only shows your status at the time of the test. It doesn’t mean that you won’t contract the disease the next day, or the day after, etc. So I’m skeptical about the value of getting tested.July 27, 2020 7:17 pm at 7:17 pm #1887219☕️coffee addictParticipant
How can you believe anythingJuly 27, 2020 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #1887250GadolhadorahParticipant
Coffee Addict; Umein, v’umein, especially when the Trumpkopf seems to engage in non-stop rants that have no basis in science or fact and leave his advisors to constantly begin by saying, “what the President meant to say was that….”. Sadly, there is a large percentage of the American tzibur who still take his Tweets and reality show “news conferences” seriously and thus are confused when confronted with factual and objective assessments based on the best understanding of this virus at a point in time. I’m 100 percent certain that a year from now, some aspects of what we now believe is “torah Moshe M’Sinai” from a public health perspective will have been updated. In the interim, the best we can do is work with what scientists believe are the best protocols.July 27, 2020 11:19 pm at 11:19 pm #1887253
Hashem runs the world and is the true healer. Go directly to Hashem for a Covid-19 test it’s much easier then going to a doctor. Test your faith and trust in Hashem and see if your results come back positive or negative. In this test with Hashem we always want to come out positive with the best results and it’s the secret to a worry free life and a life of happiness 24-7July 27, 2020 11:41 pm at 11:41 pm #1887288
Basically what I’m trying to convey is dont freak out, pay and retest. Naturally it may he reckless to run around before those results are back. There appears to be lots of fraud going on at the labs, this isnt my speculation.., people will do anything to try to ensure Trump wont get reelected.July 28, 2020 8:49 am at 8:49 am #1887330asimpleyidParticipant
@Sam Klein what does that have to do with taking a corona test?July 28, 2020 8:50 am at 8:50 am #1887340
My test came back positive for smallpox.July 28, 2020 8:52 am at 8:52 am #1887358☕️coffee addictParticipant
I thought you had more intelligence than to be infected with TDS
Why do democrats have to bring up trump in every discussion can there be one thread that doesn’t mention the president at all?July 28, 2020 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1887368
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣good luck with that!July 28, 2020 8:56 am at 8:56 am #1887367GadolhadorahParticipant
Sammy: Your bitachon is admirable but people may literally be putting their lives at risk if they take your simplistic posts literally. Trusting in hashem and doing all we can to follow the guidance of our medical and public health experts (not the HQ quacks) are not mutually exclusive and will result in the best outcomes for the tzibur.July 28, 2020 9:47 am at 9:47 am #1887373
@syag-lchochma People were dropping like flies all over NYC only three months ago. How soon we forget. Don’t you think that the responsible thing to do after receiving a positive test result would be to self quarantine? Even if there’s only a %50 chance it’s right, that means that there’s a %50 chance that you have COVID and will infect others, including some elderly or infirm people. Would you want that on your cheshbon?July 28, 2020 10:12 am at 10:12 am #1887381
how soon we forget? It isn’t march anymore, thank Gd. Pretending it is is not the same thing as remembering. I don’t know about where you live but here in Chicago the high risk people are smart enough to be taking precautions. They are not in public crowds without masks, they are not in gatherings without masks, some not even with masks.
I personally did not and would not walk around anywhere with a positive covid status. But saying someone is killing people right and left is just nonsense. And my response was to that word choice.July 28, 2020 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm #1887424
There already was a thread about the extent of available testing does not demonstrate the extent of the pandemic.
Similarly, the extent of people being cautious or reckless does not emphasize the extent of the pandemic today.
But it will impact the extent of the pandemic tomorrow.July 28, 2020 5:51 pm at 5:51 pm #1887566
@syag-lchochma Baruch Hashem you are right. But my gut tells me that someone who ignores a positive test result is the same type of person who will walk around town without a mask on and maybe visit Bubbie and Zaydie.
The reason that things are what they are now and not like they were in March, is precisely because people are being careful.July 28, 2020 7:20 pm at 7:20 pm #1887577
@stag, your completley incorrect. I personally waiting until retesting showed it was a false positive. I spoke with 2 well known Drs who said it’s not possible you really have it again.
There are 2 many people that that are just spreading FEAR! Yes be careful, be very careful bus use your brains seek medical advice from real professionals. There are too many fear spreaders amongst us.
Yes I agree there are many that take zero precautions and that can be dangerous especially if you have elderly parents or are near someone with a compromised immune system.
Bus please stop the fear already. Yes things were very bad at one time, use your head and just take proper precautions.
editedJuly 29, 2020 12:04 am at 12:04 am #1887672
Hashem runs the entire world and decides the life and health condition of every person throughout their life, with some conditions being for tests of faith and trust etc… To others being punishments in this temporary world instead of in the next olam haemes…. And many other reasons….
When a person starts to live a life a bitachon and emunah in Hashem and always turns to Hashem directly for help instead of going through messengers-gedolim, doctors or segulahs etc…..-then it is not a lack of hishtadlus if he doesn’t take a Covid-19 test cause he knows so deep inside him that his entire life is run by Hashem and everything is decided by Hashem.
May we all start to turn directly to Hashem in our time of needs, be it for health, livlihood or children etc…July 29, 2020 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1887713
I assumed you meant that a person with the proper mindset can have symptoms, and continue about his routine. What kind of emunah inspires a person to think that he can control the spread of contagious diseases by putting his head in the sand?July 29, 2020 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1887714
Other posters think you are insinuating that one who gets a positive result, need not quarantine.July 29, 2020 9:25 am at 9:25 am #1887715
Any idea, on what is the official protocol for one who received one positive result. followed by a negative one? Also, the labs are overworked right now. That is the reason for a lot of the confusions with results. Do you think it is ethical to ask for a re-test?July 29, 2020 9:26 am at 9:26 am #1887716
Testing allows the country to keep up with the virus. It shows where the virus is right now. And then it can be understood where it came from and how it got there. Which is vital information if we are going to subdue these outbreaks.July 29, 2020 9:27 am at 9:27 am #1887717
You can believe Dr Fauci. ‘The problem with bad data, is that it remains bad data.’ Or, you can blame the CDC.July 29, 2020 11:03 am at 11:03 am #1887813
You were correct in your assumptions
1)when a person starts to feel coronavirus symptoms or a lightness of a common sickness, Hashem can change the decree and with a person’s proper faith and davening it can be turned around immediately to positive to recover before it becomes a serious sickness C”V
2)in regards to a person living in denial and putting his face in the sand in today’s day as many of us are sadly doing when we face issues from financial to chinuch issues etc…. Due to a major problem affecting the entire world today called FACING REALITY. in regards to this we always need to face reality before a problem gets worse C”V and deal with it immediately. A person can never solve an issue by living in denial and just putting his face in the sand.
Klal yisroel needs to wake up and FACE REALITY with the direct message from Hashem for immediate teshuva with Hashem calling out to us with his direct message of CARA-NA-AVAEIROS i.e. no tragedy is just coincidence but each has a direct message from Hashem and now Hashem is waiting for all of us to come back together as a nation and do serious teshuva and achdus ASAP together so that this Tisha bav can be a yom tov for all of us in YerushalyimJuly 29, 2020 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #1887915
Do you actually think these shocking wake up call messages directly from Hashem are just coincidence? Who made this coronavirus apedemic be called Covid-19? What does Covid/honor do to a person? It removes a man completely from this world as does the sickness of Covid-19. Do you actually think this name and message is coincidence? A person would need to be crazy and living in denial to think this straight up message of exactly the name of the virus is just coincidence.
May we all do teshuva ASAP. So this virus can come to a complete stop and Hashem can send MashiachJuly 31, 2020 12:07 pm at 12:07 pm #1888427
I am impressed! I put you into a tough spot, and you put out a very smart answer. Still, I am going to ask again. Are you saying that if one has emunah they are allowed to go out in public, even though they tested positive for a contagious disease?August 2, 2020 1:17 am at 1:17 am #1888641
If someone was tested positive for coronavirus C”V the person has to immediately do his/her hishtadlus required for that situation which for Covid-19 requires a person to completely go into quarantine and stay away from people to prevent the sickness from spreading out to others until the person does his spiritual part of hishtadlus of tefilla begging Hashem to send him a refuah shleima ASAP so s/he can go back out like normal and serve Hashem with all the mitzvos.
This is why you will definitely see more older people versus younger people wearing masks. The coronavirus is more of a risk for older people then young adults or kids etc…. And they are all doing their hishtadlus required by wearing masks and some still davening outside minyan even though they can really daven inside a shul
May everyone stay safe and healthy and always put safety first. BETTER SAFE THAN SORRY.August 2, 2020 5:12 am at 5:12 am #1888680
If it is true that someone sent in two blank swabs and it came back positive then the test is totally worthless and should not be relied upon whatsoever.
I had covid in March. If I tested positive now, I would absolutely not self quarantine, as I don’t believe it’s possible to get it again.
I actually know of people who tested positive even though that they were for sure over covid. That being the case, I don’t trust the results at all, and I see no reason for anyone to self quarantine as a result of positive test.
If you live in areas where the virus is raging, then everyone who did not already have the virus should be careful. But if you live in a place like New York, then just go about your business, unless you have symptoms that indicate that you have the virus, or you are high risk.August 2, 2020 10:00 am at 10:00 am #1888692
Paying for a retest of foolishness. If you can’t believe the results of the first test, why should you believe the results of the second test?August 2, 2020 10:01 am at 10:01 am #1888700
Gadolhadarah: You answered Coffee addict Amein v’amein. He meant nothing about Trump. And it’s strange you think he did.
It’s a good thing you’re not anti-Semitic or no doubt you would blame the virus on the Jews.August 2, 2020 10:20 am at 10:20 am #1888740
I heard that claim about blank test swabs being submitted and figured it to be true. Then i heard the “real story” (quotes because i have no way to verify it) is that 2 people were waiting to be tested and it was taking forever so they left. And then they got calls that their tests were positive. If that’s the case, i dont believe it for a second. Nobody labels test swabs and puts them in a pile til the persons turn comes in the queue. The story is probably fake.
That being said, I’ve heard that their are reliability issues but i don’t think i would have the chutzpah to be out in public with a positive. I was sick for weeks and better, completely better for 5 or 6 days before it all started up again. I don’t think it was a relapse, i think that’s the profile of this virus. Thank Gd i didnt go out during those daysAugust 2, 2020 2:28 pm at 2:28 pm #1888827
Syag: I don’t think I would have gone out 5 or 6 days after being sick for weeks even if I didn’t take a covid test to see if I still have it. At least 2 weeks without any symptoms is more like it.August 3, 2020 10:23 pm at 10:23 pm #1889249charliehallParticipant
“I don’t believe it’s possible to get it again.”
We actually don’t know whether that is the case or not. Unfortunately there is evidence that the antibodies to the virus are not long lasting. We might need to be getting vaccinations on a regular basis, at least until we can kill off the virus — and given that we can’t get people to wear masks and maintain social distance, that means we may need to keep getting vaccinations indefinitely.August 4, 2020 12:31 am at 12:31 am #1889275MammeleParticipant
Charlie: there’s a lot more to immunity than anti-bodies. Once the body fought it off once it can recognize it quickly and get rid of it before it takes hold. At least that’s the common consensus about memory T cells and something similar I forgot the name of.
This fear mongering is what’s having the opposite result – people being careless because common sense precautions are never enough anyway. Please get real. This virus can be tough, but it’s not invincible or equally dangerous for all. And staying home for weeks on end has its own risks. If it’s warranted, that’s one thing, but all this baloney of getting it again has to stop.
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