May 18, 2020 5:45 pm at 5:45 pm #1861814
We have been down this path previously on making vaccination a requirement for school admission. There was some positive news this AM about preliminary Phase I test results on the Covid 19 vaccine under development by Moderna and there are several others under development. Obviously, there will be no vaccine this fall biut perhaps in January 2020 or more likely for the new school year in September 2021 there will be an effective and “safe” vaccine. At that time, should vaccination be a requirement for kids enrolling in public and private schools? The anti-vaxers have already been out in force with conspiracy theories claiming the current virus is a big hoax by drug companies wanting to vaccinate the world or just their standard rants about all vaccines being unsafe.May 19, 2020 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm #1862421PekakParticipant
Anybody who refuses a working vaccine is a rodef.May 19, 2020 8:10 pm at 8:10 pm #1862453lowerourtuition11210Participant
GH: Wait until the vaccine s actually approved and shown to be effective. Speculating now is worthless.May 19, 2020 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #1862489JosephParticipant
Should government agents seize children of parents who refuse to vaccinate and forcibly vaccinate them?
If they are rodfim, then you must advocate forcible vaccinations.May 19, 2020 9:36 pm at 9:36 pm #1862523n0mesorahParticipant
Better question. If a vaccine is rushed out this year, and it is an annual shot. Would you (not high risk) take it? This is not the flu. And even people who get a DTaP skip the flu shot.May 20, 2020 11:57 am at 11:57 am #1862682
The question is more nuanced than the measles vaccine issue since in the latter case, there is perhaps a higher likelihood of peer-to-peer infection and spread with serious consequences for other children.. In the current situation, one area of concern may be spread among kids who themselves are asymptomatic and don’t suffer serious consequences from the virus but might spread it to others in the family at greater risk. However, the same risk would prevail even if the kids went outside to play with their friends or went to shul on shabbos.May 20, 2020 12:54 pm at 12:54 pm #1862723Doing my bestParticipant
If the virus can be eliminated with just 99% of the population receiving the vaccine then I don’t think we should force people to take it by keeping their kids out of school. This is different from the standard vaccines in that other disease seem not to be eliminated even though there is basically herd immunity.
**If you’re going to argue with me please do it nicely.**May 21, 2020 10:57 am at 10:57 am #1863055n0mesorahParticipant
Herd immunity is less than that. I thought kids out of school was because of a child with kidney disease got chicken pox and will never be the same. That school had enough and removed all unvaccinated students. And other large schools followed. The smaller schools did not. Large schools have the ability to deal with immunocompromised children. Small schools can deal with parents that do not vaccinate.
An eliminated disease does not come back even without herd immunity. (i. e. smallpox) Herd immunity protects us from all getting sick. Compare coronavirus where almost all the people in the same house get in once. As opposed to the flu where some get it in October, some in Dec/Jan, one in the spring, and some seem to evade it completely. There will still be small pockets until it is eliminated.May 21, 2020 3:15 pm at 3:15 pm #1863201
While it varies from virus to virus, it takes very high rates of vaccination to achieve “herd immunity” and may also take several years to achieve that outcome. I’m not sure how this concept will be helpful for the next school year.
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