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    mik5
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    Are we required to believe that Hashem created the earth (and other planets?) in six 24-hour periods, and that the universe is literally 5772 years old? Or do you believe in evolution?

    #828164

    Don’t look for hashkafa in the CR, listen to Rabbi Avigdor Miller on the subject.

    #828165

    real-brisker
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    MODS – IS THERE ANY REASON WHY YOUR ALLOWING KIFERAH IN THE CR?

    You didn’t need to bold, the caps got my attention. I don’t see any kefira yet. OP asked whether we are required to believe the world was created in 6 literal days. If you know the answer, then by all means go ahead and spit it out.

    #828166

    HaLeiVi
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    MIB, it is highly inappropriate that you are mocking a famous Gadol, especially in the name of YW. Most of us came to this site to avoid just that. We really didn’t expect a moderator to post something that is against the rules.

    You are correct. I banned myself.

    #828167

    oomis
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    There are machlokos amongst our Chachomim as to what the time frame really is/was. Some believe it was actually that each Day was a 24 hour cycle, and other assert that because there was no sun or planetary creation in the Heavens until Day 4, the time frame could have millions of years initially. What difference does it really make? We believe Hashem created EVERYTHING, “SHe-Haya, Hoveh, V’Yihiyeh.” So does it really make such a colossal difference if our understanding of the concept of time at the beginning of Creation is the same as it is in our time? Many things have changed over the millennia. Is it such a stretch to believe that time was altered as well?

    #828168

    skiaddict
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    Rabbi Avigdor Miller is absolutely terrific, i read tons of his books and he really makes issues such as evolution very clear – read them and you will not have any more questions – i guarantee! I used to be very skeptical and had tons of questions, and reading his books made everything so clear and the torah hashkofo made so much sense, whilst the theories and evolution ideas were so clearly rubbish! He brings scientific proofs and quotes famous theorists to clearly show how evolution is made up and doesnt make sense.

    #828169

    cantoresq
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    The problem is that since R. Miller died, evolution has moved one. Many of the problmes with evolutionary theory he cited have been resolved.

    #828170

    HaLeiVi
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    Thanks. You’re an inspiration for taking Tochacha well. I wonder what your current, invisible, subtitle is.

    #828171

    akuperma
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    We should avoid discussing the matter with goyim, whose terms we are using since any Jewish discussion of the matter involves matters of kabbalah which we can’t discuss with goyim, and any attempt to discuss the subject without reference to kabbalah distorts the Torah perspective.

    Remember that a “fundamentalist” by definition believes that what they call the “Bible” must be understood without reference to any external source, meaning without reference to our oral traditions – which precludes a meaningful discussion with them.

    #828172

    popa_bar_abba
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    Are we required to believe that Hashem created the earth (and other planets?) in six 24-hour periods, and that the universe is literally 5772 years old?

    I am not aware that we are required to believe that. We are required to believe that G-d created the world ex-nihilo, but that is ok, since there is no other logical choice anyway.

    Or do you believe in evolution?

    I’m not sure why you picked that as the “other choice.” I could imagine 1000 other options besides those two. For example, that Hashem created the world in 6 24 hour periods and it was 5773 years ago.

    #828173

    HaLeiVi
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    We keep Shabbos to testify that Hashem craeted the world in six days. The Torah is not a riddle. Ki Karov Eilecha Hadavar Me’od. Midrasshim and Aggada are many times alegorical, but not the Torah, unless it is blatant.

    #828174

    old man
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    The OP asks:

    “Are we required to believe that Hashem created the earth (and other planets?) in six 24-hour periods, and that the universe is literally 5772 years old? “

    The answer is : No, you are not required to believe that.

    #828175

    Sam2
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    HaLeiVi: While we assume that’s true, there are significant Rishonim who say not like that so it’s hard to say that we are obligated to assume that.

    #828176

    lesschumras
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    I’m always amazed how many people are Reform when it comes to the first perek since they make believe Torah she’beal peh doesn’t exist and insist on a literal translation.

    #828177

    zahavasdad
    Participant

    Where in Hashkafa does it say that the dinosaurs died before the flood?

    #828178

    HaLeiVi
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    Sam2, please tell me what you are talking about. We actually base our calendar on the 24hr six schedule.

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