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A friend and I were having an argument and I was wondering what people here thought.
When In traffic waiting to get on a highway, is it rude to get out of line, accelerate to the front and force your way back in?
He doesn’t think so, since it is done and is an acceptable “social convention.” He points to the fact that I occasionally do it as proof. I think it is rude and though I may rarely do it, I am not perfect and when impatient act rudely sometimes.
What do you think?
Extremely rude. Often times drivers will team up and not allow them in. It’s a beautiful thing when that happens.
Yes, it is rude.
When I am one of those cars waiting in line, I will really try not to let the car in if I can help it. I think it is very inconsiderate.
It is G’zailah of the time of everyone waiting in line.
Unless you are having an emergency, it’s disgusting and inconsiderate, and the fact that it is common in your city reflects a level of selfishness and rudeness that is not commonplace throughout the rest of the country, yet.
I do it. It is rude.
I think it falls under my motorcycle heter though.
Popa’s Motorcycle Heter:
The tayna: Why should I have to wait an hour, if all of you can just wait an extra 30 seconds and let me go first?
The teretz: Because then all of us have the same tayna, and therefore it makes more sense that we should all just wait in line.
The Motorcyle: But I can cut through between the lanes, whereas none of you can. So the teretz doesn’t work. So Popa holds it is not rude for motorcycles to cut between the lanes in traffic, even though we will all wait an extra 15 seconds when he gets to the front. Because I won’t deprive him of saving an hour for my stupid 15 seconds.
Applications:
Riding the shoulder (most people not willing to, because afraid of ticket).
Cutting around traffic (because most people not willing to because afraid they’ll have hard time getting in).
I will so cut you all off. Just you watch out for me flying down on the left side towards the battery tunnel and then jumping in right when it splits to go towards the brooklyn bridge.
It’s not only rude, but if you’re passing to the right of the other cars it’s also illegal. By most entry ramps you need to be in the leftmost lane to enter the highway, so anyone cutting the line would be passing to the right.
PBA, Can you split lanes with your Honda Civic?
“I will so cut you all off. Just you watch out for me flying down on the left side towards the battery tunnel and then jumping in right when it splits to go towards the brooklyn bridge.
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Oh, so that was you!
Mods! this poster has just identified himself!
Well, I got your plate. Be careful what you post.
If I don’t like it. I will turn you in!
(I wonder what the statute of limitations is on this.)
If your wearing a yarmulke, take it off. If you have a beard don’t do it.
If you have a beard don’t do it.
I’m a Sikh.
Also, http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/im-not-a-chillul-hashem-theyre-just-racist
I always do it.
If I am entering the highway, and there is still a few feet of the exit (or entrance) lane, I will stay on it until I am forced to merge.
Why in the world must I join all the other cards waiting in traffic.
Also, if I am in traffic, and there is a entrance lane to my right, I will quickly change onto that lane and change back only when I am forced to do so.
Why in the world should I wait in traffic when I dont have to, and why am I worse than the person that is now entering the highway.
It can get dangerous at times. Pick your entry point carefully.
Sure it’s rude, but many otherwise very pleasant people become rude drivers when they learn the rule of the New York City jungle. If I would be as couteous as I am used to being I would never park, nor ever pull out of a parking place. I would unload my boxes and luggage five blocks away from my destination and carry them one by one, Pachos Pachos.
I wonder why the road and parking crisis is never dealt with by politicians and campaigns.
Omg! I was going to start a thread like this erev Shabbos! I did this Friday getting onto the exit for the white stone. Traffic was terrible, I did not want to sit in the car for 45 minutes when I had a number of things to dk before Shabbos. My husband said it was ” not good” and took off his yarmulke. I really almost never do it, but once in a while I am guilty. Btw, I didn’t come out of line and zoom to the front. I was already in the left lane I just stayed in it coming off the van wyck and pushed my way over.
I do it routinely. As long as you’re not driving on the shoulder or crossing a solid (white) line when getting in or out, it is completely legal.
Yes, definitely rude. People that are in a hurry, should schedule accordingly and leave a couple minutes earlier to avoid these situations. Traffic is unpredictable.
temimus- I guess you’re not in NYS. According to NYS DMV website, it’s only legal to pass to the right in cases of emergency or no other option or something like that.
Morah Rach- I find that very odd. If it’s so bad that you have to take off your Yarmulka you shouldn’t be doing it.
And if it was necessary due to emergency, then leave the Yarmulka on.
There is never a time in Yiddishkeit that you pretend to be a Goy.
What does passing to the right?
if the right lane has no cars, and the left lane is jammed, are you legally required to sit in the left lane?
I do not believe that this is the law.
Slichos, that is not such perfect logic. If it was an emergency how would everyone else know that? Why would they think that this one car must be in an emergency?
It does say that when people can’t control their Yetzer Hara they should disguise themselves.
And if it was necessary due to emergency, then leave the Yarmulka on.
How is everyone else supposed to know that it’s an emergency?
I never do it as I posted ( not making excuses I know it’s wrong) that’s why my husband took it off he wasn’t happy he was embarrassed. But I didn’t cut the line I was in the lane for the LIE I had to get over anyway I just Waited until the very top. Now that I think about it, what I did wasn’t so wrong. I didn’t come out of the lane to zoom up. That’s a different thing.
HaLeiVi: That seems to be P’shat in the Gemara but it’s actually a Machlokes Tosfos and Rabbeinu Chananel in Chagigah (14b or 15a around there).
HaLeivi- There is no comparison between Yetzer Hora and emergency
2scents- you’re absolutely allowed to switch into the right lane if the left lane is jammed. You aren’t allowed to switch into the right lane though if you’re planning on switching right back into the left lane.
HaLeivi- There is no comparison between Yetzer Hora and emergency
Why not?
You aren’t allowed to switch into the right lane though if you’re planning on switching right back into the left lane.
I’m not sure where you’re located but here is the law for New York State:
(a) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass upon the right of another vehicle only under the following conditions:
1. When the vehicle overtaken is making or about to make a left turn;
2. Upon a street or highway with unobstructed pavement not occupied by parked vehicles of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles in each direction;
3. Upon a one-way street, or upon any roadway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and of sufficient width for two or more lines of moving vehicles.
(b) The driver of a vehicle may overtake and pass another vehicle upon the right only under conditions permitting such movement in safety. Such movement shall not be made by driving off the pavement or main-traveled portion of the roadway, except as permitted by section eleven hundred thirty-one of this article.
Bolding added by me.
HaLeivi- There is no comparison
between Yetzer Hora and emergency
I’m sure there are many differences between a Yetzer hara and an emergency. There are, however, situations in which they both meet. If one’s actions will cause a Chilul Hashem then he should disguise himself (according to the popular P’shat).
Haleivi: If a Jew is arrested should he take off his yarmulka before being taken to the police or while in court?
2scents – “Why in the world should I wait in traffic when I dont have to, and why am I worse than the person that is now entering the highway.”
Why? Because it’s assur, that’s why.
Cherrybib, that’s ridiculous . What issur is there to pass on the right lane?
G’neiva and chillul Hashem.
When i have to travel I make sure to leave more than enough time to get there. Especially if i am travelling during rush hour.
When others try to cut in front it bothers me to no end! For example, when driving to Manhattan via the Battery tunnel, there are many drivers that drive in teh 2 left lanes that are for the tunnel so that they can cut to the head of the bridge line. Not only do they cause a tremendous buildup of traffic to the bridge, but they block the lanes to the tunnel too as they wait to cut into the bridge lanes! So all of us trying to get into the tunnel have to squeeze into one lane creating lots more unnecessary traffic. Very selfish individuals.
I always wonder if the people who get stuck on a highway on erev shabbos or their cars breakdown with no gas station/repair shop for several miles, are those nasty selfish drivers…
I always wonder if the people who get stuck on a highway on erev shabbos or their cars breakdown with no gas station/repair shop for several miles, are those nasty selfish drivers…
I sure hope not!!!!
For example, when driving to Manhattan via the Battery tunnel, there are many drivers that drive in teh 2 left lanes that are for the tunnel so that they can cut to the head of the bridge line. Not only do they cause a tremendous buildup of traffic to the bridge, but they block the lanes to the tunnel too as they wait to cut into the bridge lanes!
It is completely legal for drivers heading towards the Bridge to use the leftmost two lanes UNTIL they reach the SOLID WHITE LINES. They need to merge into the BQE right-lanes BEFORE the lines become solid. Until that point they can drive in the left lanes.
And they don’t cause any buildup of traffic to the bridge. It would be the same traffic regardless. And they don’t block the tunnel lanes. The tunnel lanes move quite smoothly.
Its rude and unacceptable. If you didn’t have the protection of anonymity provided by sitting in your car, you would never do it. Would you do it in the grocery store or coffee shop?
temimus: You are right. I wasnt clear. I was referring to those solid white lines. And yes they do block the tunnel lanes (left 2 lanes) when they cut the “bridge lanes”. The tunnel lanes move smoothly after you pass the bridge exit.
they do block the tunnel lanes (left 2 lanes) when they cut the “bridge lanes”. The tunnel lanes move smoothly after you pass the bridge exit.
You mean those stuck up pigs who take the tunnel? They think they’re better than all of us? Huh? Well, I hope a car breaks down in each lane of the tunnel and they get stuck for hours.
Unless he has a woman in labor in the car or another emergency, he is rude, thoughtless, and potentially could cause an accident. There is NO justification for him, just because he is in a hurry. So is everyone else.
From time to time I see either state or local police pulling over those cars that cross solid white lines or zebra stripes to save a few minutes. For example, before there were 2 lanes to get from the FDR South onto the Brooklyn Bridge and NJ Route 21 where it merges into one lane before Route 46.
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popa_bar_abba: lol! Before i got married i had the same opinion i still feel its a waste of money and a ‘luxury’! But who am i to argue with my husband when it is actually much quicker and easier?! And i dont have to sit in the traffic of getting onto and on the bridge!
Popa: And what makes them a p*g? They’re not intruding on anyone else, they’re paying extra to make it easier for those who can’t afford to or don’t want to, by alleviating the traffic. You should thank them, (honk twice at each car).
Popa: And what makes them a p*g? They’re not intruding on anyone else, they’re paying extra to make it easier for those who can’t afford to or don’t want to, by alleviating the traffic. You should thank them, (honk twice at each car).
It’s the other way around. They aren’t pigs because they pay more and go in the tunnel; they are going in the tunnel because they are pigs.
And BTW: if nobody would be willing to pay for the tunnel, then it would be free and they’d get the revenue from the general taxation, which is more fair anyway.
“You mean those stuck up pigs who take the tunnel?”
Drivers using the tunnel don’t cut others off. So look who is calling the kettle black; the pigs who jeopardize other drivers…they are the selfish pigs.
I will gladly pay what it takes to avoid the likes of the chillel Hashem boo hoo cry babies who only think of themselves.
Cherrybim (any liking to my s/n?):
Same by me. When I’m in a rush and I want to avoid a chillul HaShem I pay to take the tunnel. (oh, I return it when I’m finished)
and Popa, you’re dead wrong. Even if nobody would be willing to pay for the tunnel, it still wouldn’t be free. You don’t know the city.
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